And here's another one, messing around with the tint in camera :)

- 函館市 Hakodate-shi, Hokkaido, Japan -

Shot on ' Lumix GH2 + Leica DG Nocticron 42.5mm f/1.2 ASPH. POWER OIS Lens ' [with Driftwood Moon T8 24L]

recorded a short video from my last trip to Japan. Nocticron is also my favorite lens in Lumix. The picture profile setting was set to cinema all-2

※ The moon t8 boasts good quality enough even if it is set to 24L.

-> Confused with the moon t8 post. I would appreciate if you could delete the comment.

After installing the patch format the card in camera.

To check the bitrate and other data download Stream Parser from here.

Greetings from Vietnam. Patched with the latest T9. Very happy with its quality upgrading from Cake, although it gave write errors sometimes.

Panasonic 25mm f1.4, no colour grading.

Nicely done!

@sk810, thanks for getting back to me! That makes sense. I was playing around quite some time with different hacks and different versions of Moon until I found one that worked well and reliably for me. However, I forgot to make a note. Lesson learned :)

Ok, I'm sure this was asked before but I couldn't find anything in the search results: is there a way to tell which hack is installed on my GH2?

TIA for answers!

@Lounusa You can solve that with SD Formatter, sometimes what you´re saying, happens.

Very delicate. Which kind of gimbal did you use (if any) ? GH2 still shines…

0.71x metabones speedbooster + sigma 18-35 1.8

Hi Guys. I did not use my GH2 for several months and the battery was out. When I turned it on, my custom settings were gone. And now my bit rate is really low. Is it possible that the camera reset itself and in doing so deleted my Moon T7? Thanks

Hello, I present you a short film we managed to pull out in less than 5 days (PreProd/Prod/PostProd). It was done for a small event called "Fais un Film Putain" which is basically a short film battle. The theme of this month was the world "end".

GH2, 14-140 F.4-5.6, Moon T7 @24p

I wish we could have had more time to shoot it, 50% of the script is missing because we had only one night to shoot. Grading and VFX would have also benefited but it's part of the game.

thank you very much

Go to page 1 in this thread for downloads. You can find a nice video on youtube searching for: how to hack gh2.

@agarastar I think some people on this site can help you, hopefully they'll chime in soon. In the meantime, if you still have the SD card you used with those 2 damaged clips, don't use it at all. (Try doing a search on this site - I remember people speaking about rescuing data that was lost or damaged. Good luck.)

New music video, Moon t7, Takumar 55mm f1.8, Panasonic 14mm f2.5, chinese speed booster, Fotga variable ND filter, and DIY motorized 100cm slider.

http://www.personal-view.com/talks/profile/1095/driftwood Hi guiys, as I said times ago, I would like a patch that could improve dinamic range to GH2. People said that it was impossible. So, how can Panasonic created a payed patch for GH4 that improve two f-stops of DR? (from 10 to 12). May this patche works in GH2? Or may the developers here create a similar patch to GH2? I know that we can make something using low-contrast filter and in post, but a patch would be a jump! Thanks.

Another one with 'DREWnet' T9 and Lumix GF3. I think 40Mbps is enough for this camera, i dont see any quality improvement with higher bitrates.

@donniewagner, thank you so much for the response! I apologize for my untimely reply. Maybe I need to give Drewnet, or another IPB patch a shot again. You certainly got some extremely good results here, and the denoising doesn't bother me since I needed it with Moon T7 also (and Moon T8 in many circumstances too).

@felixgarbe 1080/60i is 1080/30p psf

@kingkorg @gittzy @jdude Thanks gents!

@Tjabo, This video was cleaned up with neat video, so that could be why there is a lack of noise. But honestly the original footage did not look bad to me at all. I was using moon T5 then Moon T7 but wanted to try a patch that wasn't such a data hog. I think I read that DrewnetT9 had a good 720 60p mode which I use a lot for slow mo. I haven't really been able to tell the difference between patches.

Settings in camera were smooth, -2 on all and 0 for saturation I think. quality set to SH

What do you expect from Moon T9: a significant final breakthrough or a last big nothing?

Agreed, amazing!!!

Exceptional work, @donniewagner in every way!

GH2, Moon T7, FCPX

@Jim_Simon, thank you! That is some of the best comparison information I have seen.

My better shots on the GH2 have been with Moon T8, but maybe they could have been even better with Moon T7. I like to think I've become a bit less of a hack over time. Lol

@Tjabo

In my tests in T8 upon it's release, I did find the image overall a bit 'smoother' then 7, but it seemed to me that smoothness was because the image was less detailed. I prefer the detail.

You can read about this in the Moon T8 thread.

http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/10978/driftwood-cluster-x-series-4moon-t8spizz-t7/p6

I must apologize for insisting with the mono-theme, ran out of pills :P
All but the very first shot is HBR NTSC version conformed to 23,97 TM. If this patch could have a force HB option... I'm finding to be the shots where is not so much going on (like an out of focus FG - SOC example below) where banding feasts like crazy and, no matter what rinsing and vitamin I fed it, so much difficult to fix it in post - anyway just dreaming (4:2:0, 8 bit) while having fun =)
 

 
With (yet to come) hybrid's grain filter which I humbly believe makes some difference, needs tweaking...

@halfhedge, you are gifted! That is one of my favorite music videos I have seen in a while!!! Fantastic shooting and editing.

Hi! I tried my luck with a music video for a local Band. It was a quite ambitious undertaking for me, but it turned out okay for how far my abilities go right now. Made a lot of mistakes and hopefully, learned from all of them. The main one being that even daylight seems to be too little light for a night scene with a GH2. :) Anyway, i used the Drewnet T9 mainly, tried some good old Intravenus along the way, but too little light remains too little light. Enjoy.

Guys: Latest on moon T9: Basically I need to finish it off properly. I apologise to all who have been patiently waiting. June is a hectic month for me too but I will endeavour to finalise it in 2nd week of July. May have a new Spizz too.

@Jim_Simon, I'm interested in your feeling/conclusion that Moon T7 is the best patch. Do you mind elaborating on what about it is better than which other patches? It seems to me that this sort of information sharing about the comparison of the patches is a bit sparse.

I have gotten better results with Moon T8 in 24H and in SH modes, so for me it is the clear winner so far. It does seem to me like the darks are cleaner with Moon T8, but sometimes there is unexpected noise in the mids and maybe even the light end of the highlights. Overall the quality I've gotten with Moon T8 has been stellar, even if mild denoising was needed.

Oh, as for dado023's question, Moon T8 is also less demanding on cards than Moon T7 from what I've found, and I even think I had success on some regular old Class 10 cards I had laying around. Honestly I can't remember that for sure though.

At any rate, for the people who prefer Moon T7 (which I did use successfully on a project, and I love Moon T7) over Moon T8, I'm interested in what about it you prefer. As much as I love Moon T7, I love Moon T8 even more. :)

@dado023 I recommend getting the card to fit the patch, not the other way around.

And the best patch is Moon T7.

guys, which hack/firmware would be recommended for standard Class10 64GB card?

When I was a kid I always wanted to be an astronaut... now thanks to you @Driftwood, and without too many drugs I feel like one ,-)
BTW I really like how Nebula (HBR and 720p) bitrate scales with High ISOs, within same lighting conditions.
It would be super duper if there was an option to force patch to its maximum bitrate (disregarding scene detail and DR) for high ISOs... denoising would be "easier" and guess one could savage more details... just TOL thinking out loud :P
 

 
I'm not very happy how AC3 compressed the music... maybe AAC is better(?). Anyway, more chapters to come
CHEN KIUUUU

@driftwood ...looking forward to seeing both, Sir...Spizz and Moon. And I, for one, I'm very glad/happy, that you're still pushing the GH2 with your patches.

Moon T7; Takumar 55mm 1.8; Lumix 14mm 2.5; Yashinon DS Yashica 55mm 1.4; Pixco focal reducer;

Yupp, you are right, deadlines, and lack of attention.

I don't get it, embed code from Vimeo doesn't work. I can't get preview window.

Panasonic GH2 Moon T7 Hack Takumar 55mm 1.8 Lumix 14mm 2.5 Yashinon DS Yashica 55mm 1.4 Pixco focal reducer

Masino - Ti Možeš from Matija Tatomirovic on Vimeo.

The snake ate my leg, I couldn't skate, just derivate for christ's sake where is Mr. Driftcake??!!!
One more nail on the coffin and a piece of content for the republic of china's army to torture semi-innocent souls. BTW in the remotely plausible case anyone interested on watching a decent H264 copy (207MB) it will be available for 1 week here =)

grab from today's batch also... ahh the irony nurturing from the irony itself!!!

The issue in this case is that Mb is a valid abbreviation for megabit, which is how video is measured. But the card speed is measured in megabyte, requiring a capital B in the abbreviation.

So I guess my point is that written messages are much easier understood when the proper conventions are ALWAYS followed - capitals, spelling, grammar, etc. Texting, chatting, posting on the Internet are NOT exceptions to the rules of writing we all had to follow when writing those class essays.

That's 30 MB/s. MegaBYTE, not Megabit. BIG difference.

Capitals matter on this one.

Hi everyone,

I am getting new 64GB 95mb/s Extreme Pro cards and noticed that now they sell the U3 and U1 versions. Is there any difference between these for Moon T7 on GH2? As in, can the GH2 write well on the newer U3? or does it have to be exclusively U1 type?

Cheers,

Whoops, I put this in the wrong Driftwood thread! Moving it to the correct Moon T8 one. . . Vitaliy, please delete this post if you like, I don't see an option to completely delete it.

@maxr, Excellent tests man. I have to try this HQ3GOP patch. Can you tell me about this "hybridizing" process for PC? Thanks

@rikyxxx something I forget to write down is that I'll always prefer a well exposed high ISO shot than a lower ISO underexposed one; mainly cause within the combination above (which is not by any means the holly grail) it is easier to get rid of most obnoxious noise and secondly cause grades better -) As one cannot change ISO while videoing as in GH3/GH4, sometimes one has to make compromises {monkey swearing eternal love to a tree}. In silly example below I didn't want to blow the flame's brightest part. In second dawn shot, I also used Karl's script, for which I had to upscale to UHD with lanczos and then downscale again (all within hybrid); the file was a joy to grade, I went bonkers with 12 nodes to try and break it up I but the guy was a stubborn good shit happy horny motherfucka crazy donkey :P

 
Already downloaded towi's HQ3GOP patch, I'll try as soon as the devil leaves my house (epic long battle) and of course let you know, thanks so much for the finger... ejem pointing direction =)

Thanks a lot Maxr for the time spent writing such a complete and helpful reply. I really appreciate it.

Unfortunately, for me, I'm stuck with OsX 10.8 but I'll get into Hybrid as soon as I upgrade to OsX 10.9 or 10.10.

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In the meantime let me tell you about a patch you might want to try: it's @towi 's HQ3GOP => http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/7703/hq3gop-3gop-setting-optimized-for-pal-users/p1 (be sure to download version 12 on page 2)

It's a sort of Spizz but better (IMHO). It looks stable even with sandisk 30mbs cards. Bye :-)

@maxr

Impressive examples! Just a question: what do you mean by "simple denoise"?

@jdude , thanks, I have a zoom H4N and a sennheiser shotgun mic.

@donniewagner Excellent work! Very impressed with the footage, audio and editing. What kind of equipment do you use for the audio?

@powderbanks shooting 1/40 ss at 60fps causes double frames. = 1/40 ss at 30 fps

@Tjabo, I'd guess 40 hours total. no lights used, just skylights and windows. Thanks for the compliment!

Great, donniewagner!

@ura It's something to do with VLC and your computer. AVCHD/.MTS files are quite CPU heavy when it comes to decoding, and I think hacked GH2 footage is enough to make VLC crawl. Also, if you're playing video files from a hard drive (especially if it's USB 2.0) that's another potential bottleneck. My laptop (Samsung QX410) VLC does the same thing you're having problems with, but if I watch footage in Windows Media Player or open it in Premier, it's perfectly fine. However, on my workstation, VLC has no issue with raw .MTS files. Short term: try a different video player. Long term: workstation.

I shot this with Moon T7, 720p60fps interpreted to 24fps for the slow motion. All shot at 1/40 shutter speed. The only grading was one of the Lumetri B&W LUT's. Mostly shot at ISO 320, and somewhere between f1.8 and 2.8 on a SMC/Takumar 1.8/55 with a SpeedBooster. Audio was straight out of the camera. I've shot a few live shows with the GH2, and while the mic is generally pretty poopy, it manages to capture live music halfway decently.

Anyone know how to keep LED stage lights from flickering so much in footage? I tried several shutter speeds, and 1/40 (my usual ss for 24fps anyways) was the only one that managed to keep it from seizure-city.

Does anyone here do professional video production on the island of O'ahu? Contact me ASAP

@dancerchris Larger storage sizes for flash memory of the same class will always have higher transfer rates. The way a flash NAND writes its data allows for higher bandwidth when there is more storage space available. As for the UHS 3 cards I can definitely confirm, those do not work with the GH2 hacks, though they handle my GH4 200-mbit video just fine. I personally have been using the Drewnet T9 patch and it's very reliable with a good card, spans fine too.

Recently used my GH2 with Moon T7 along with GH3 and GH4 for a 3 camera shoot on a live musical performance. At about 4 minutes the GH2 stopped recording. I was using the Sansisk 32 GB Extreme Pro 95 MB/s class 1 card. Would using a class 3 card help in this matter? Or if I turned the camera off between each performance would this span the recording? Sorry if this has already been answered earlier in the post which I read much in the past but just hoping for a fast answer and solution. Thanks

hi, where i can dowload hacks?

But maybe I'm not as get option to save link elsewhere but not here.

can someone share with me the best export settings for moon T7 and im using Premier Pro CS6 in to youtube and vimeo channel. plz thannks in advance.

@JayUKB @yskunto Many thanks , all sorted. Much appreciated:)

Are you sure you already select PAL/NTSC video system option? It is in the GH2 setting menu.

Just got my GH2 yesterday , here's my first footage

Moon T7, color graded just in few shots, 90% is straight from camera. Panasonic 14mm f2.5 and Takumar 55mm 1.8.

Gamvik Kommune Kulturskole Musikkvideo (by Matija Tatomirovic) from Matija Tatomirovic on Vimeo.

Here's my experimental short horror film, shot using Moon T7 and a variety of lenses.

I prefer the look of real 24 fps to 23.976. However, it's a VERY subjective preference. I've always known which footage was which, and wouldn't bet a nickel on my ability to pick them out in a blind test. It just seems that the 24 fps stuff is missing some high frequency shimmer that we don't ever see with real film shot at exactly 24, but is frequently found with video shot at the faux 23.976.

Having said that, I have recently switched back to 23.976 only because even the latest version of the Adobe suite has problems with the true 24 fps footage that I just got tired of dealing with.

@T1000

After some testing as well as real world projects, I prefer Moon T7 to T8.

@jdude Thanks man and I used spizz T7.

@Jim_Simon How do you think Moon T7 compares to Moon T8?

Going to try this right now

Hi. I just started testing Nebula T6 on my GH2. I'm new to hacking and I have a question. I have been doing some test shoots with the death screen video as well as some static shots of running water. In both 24p and 30p modes, some of the resulting clips have extremely low bitrate, in the sub 200kbps range. Not sure if this is normal like some sort of VBR kicking in. Any input is appreciated! Want to thank Driftwood for all of his work.

Check out my latest wedding filmed with all Spizz!

@rzzl Slav looks good. Liked the subtle tension and ending.

Shot in MOON T7.. GH2 14-140MM..

@matt_gh2 Thanks! :) It's smooth with all - 2 but sharpness 0. there is a little filmconvert but no colorgrading in post. maybe it's the lens! ;)

moon T7 Fd 50mm test :) .

Moon T7, Panaleica 25mm

http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/5806/cluster-x-series-1-moon-Ѕrіzz-nebula-drewnet-slipstream/p1

@babak It's here:

Cluster X: Series 1 - moon - ЅріzZ - nebula - drewnet -

(Scroll down 6 posts.)

Shot with Moon T7, password is "dj"

For those waiting for Moon T8, and checking on this topic/thread, it's been released for testing/reporting. It has it's own topic/thread. You can find it here:

http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/10978/driftwood-moon-t8-#Item_3

@anthonyw: Yes, the same plug-in with some new experimental features. Still a lot of work needed and always not enough time for that. I can spend just an hour or two per 15 days for that. That's why I still don't release my work. Some persons attacked me here about the same matter, but that's what I can do for now. For example, more than 30 weekends gone since Nick Driftwood wrote that Moon T8 will be released "this weekend", so he has his reasons, I have mine too.

For quite a while, I used Quantum X v4B Orion and Cluster v1, both of which used the "Orion" matrix. I later switched to Sedna A Q20 and Cluster v6 DREWnet, which used the "Sedna" matrix.

I came to especially love the reliability of Cluster v6 DREWnet, and the quality I got for reasonable file sizes.

Now, I'm shooting with my GH2 and trying to match it to other cameras, and I'm finding the Orion matrix a closer match. The midtones and highlights seem to be stretched up a bit higher along the scale.

I worry that I'm giving up some good innovations by using Cluster v1 rather than v6, however. So what I'd like to know is, what settings in ptool are specifically the matrix? The tooltips don't make it clear to me. I'd like to make a setting with just the Orion matrix, that I can load over top of Cluster v6's Sedna matrix... is that even a good idea, or could there be unintended consequences?

hi, a tutorial to install this, beautiful, hack? :)

Moon T7 color/contour test of my FilmVision Pro. GH2 + FD 50mm f1.4 + LowCon + Ultra LowCon filters.

@IVIaverick52 Do you have any data on that? I'm not finding any difference in the literature from the SD Association other than the minimum write speeds. You'd think the higher rated card would work fine, but it just didn't.

@Jim_Simon I guess the U3 cards use a different writing standard that the GH2 can't properly utilize. I have a 64GB Transcend U3 for my GH4 and it's never given me a single issue in any mode (200 Mb intra, C4K, and VFR all work perfectly).

@TATZU I'm guessing he's been pretty busy, and I'm personally hoping that he's getting the chance to fiddle with the GH4 to share some insight with us. I'd like to think the GH2 hacks would last forever, but I think we have reached the summit for the best patches it will have. Cluster X is pretty darn great.

@driftwood Is T8 Cancelled? I been checking in everyday for months. If it is I would like to know so i can relax and just accept the fact its cancelled. I know you posted it was supposed to be released along time ago and since then it's been silence. Thanks!

Yes. Look at my post a page or two back. I've used 600x and 300x Transcend with Moon T7. But 64 GB versions. Both work fine.

Has anyone tried Transcend sdxc card 64gb 300x premium with moon t7? Or Sandisk Ultra 64gb? Is it worth, does it span or fail? I try to find any info but no luck.

@marciocons, unfortunately there is no magic patch to work in low light condition, high iso will bring you noise/grain, if you don't want to manage to much noise try to work with fast aperture (so lower you iso), or bring light for your subject. In the video below I shoot everything with a 50mm f/1.4 and I tried to not set iso over 1250 but for the birds sequence the light was from a projector and it was very hard to manage in post (lot of flickering, and bad global illumination), for the final sequence it was dark but the fair was full of flashy bulb, so no need to go above 320 iso. Try to set NR to 0 when working on high iso and set it back to -2 when working under 800iso.

Moon T7 samyang 16mm f2.0
separate audio on a Tascom with a Sony lapel mic

Moon T7, Old Nikon AI lenses 28mm & 50mm Mostly in green screen. Thanks Driftwood you´re the best!

@rostilav, currently I also own a Sandisk 16 45mb/s and I dnt know why, but sometimes it was freezing the camera and playback at the camera LCD was not possible, when I was running Drewnet T9. Using the same card with Moon T7, it is working fine, without freezing and playback is normal.

I'm on 'DREWnet' T9 and having problems with Sandisk Extreme 45mb/s and willing to buy a new card, my options are:

1.Transcend 64 UHS-3 http://tinyurl.com/q2t79o9 2.Sandisk Extreme 95mb/s card

Does anyone know if the Transcend is going to be reliable enough?

According to Crystaldiskmark: Sequential writing speed: Transcend is: 63mb/s Sandisk is: 67mb/s

But the 512k, 4k are mixed results: Transcend is: 23 and 0.6 mb/s Sandisk is: 7 and 2 mb/s

As you can see the Seq writing speed is the same, while 512 is faster on transcend and 4k much faster on sandisk, I believe that only the Seq parameter is the most important, can anyone enlighten me on this issue?

So far the Transcend looks to be a good option and a bargain for 50$, but would it blend? Any insight would be appreciated! thanks!

Sources: http://suggestionofmotion.com/blog/panasonic-gh4-memory-card-testing/ http://www.tekcore.co.uk/2013/08/17/sandisk-extreme-pro-32gb-sdhc-uhs-1-review/

@mariocons There was a Canis Majoris 'Night' patch that was tuned for low-light, IIRC. It was good from what I remember, but I think Moon Trial 7 would be just as good. If you're shooting anything over ISO 6400, seriously consider putting the camera into black & white mode. Yes, it's baked in, but the grain all the way up to 12800 is actually very nice. Depending on the black & white profile you choose and the scene, you can pull more out from the shadows.

@donniewagner It came out better than OK. Looks fantastic. Neat Video is a bloody life saver that's for sure. Best plugin ever

@donniewagner Looks very nice. Cool video too.

@donniewagner I really love the lighting. Excellent.

AnnasArmy

Moon T7 here, but made tons of mistakes while filming like not enough light, some exposure and high iso issues, but neat video helped a ton.

@Tjabo, thank you and I have tried it. It's really good but I need to compromise with lower bitrate and quality for long recording. @dancerchris, thank you. I will try it. Do you think the patchs by Driftwood is not suitable for long recording? Or my card problem only? Or there is a limit of writing speed on GH2?

@darkraymond Anything less than a SanDisc Extreme Pro 64GB card will often cause problems with continuous recording. If you want long recording with cheap card I suggest Sanity 5.

Hi everybody, I found that my gh2 is able to record a continuous HBR(pal) video around 15min only. I am using DREWnetT9 with a Transcend 64GB SDXC Ultimate Class 10 UHS-1 Memory Card. Is it normal? Thanks a lot.

@Celullo, thank you, that is some useful information! :)

@Celullo, are you saying the low quality images in the early part of that video were done with NR -2, and the better quality stuff was NR=0? OR is it that the better images were with the 50mm set on 640 iso?

I have always had trouble with anything over 800 iso on my GH2, and sometimes even 800 iso stuff needed a little cleaning up with Neat Video.

Thanks guys, that helps a lot. I was thinking the same thing. I was going to follow the instructions on this video to install the MoonT7 Hack. Is this correct?

and http://osgfilms.com/hack-the-panasonic-gh2/

Thank you so much, Really appreciate the confirmation before I go ahead and do this. I really don't want to turn my camera into a brick.

JSP

@producer Yep i would also like to see this plugin. When will this be availabe? I've seen you've been doing this for a while, are you ever going to make your color plugin available or is this your way of a sick game, showing us what we can't have? :p

@soldadoperegrino. Any one of the hacks are much more stable in 24p and 24L modes. You should be the safest with 24L at around 80mbs. Moon variations are pretty good.

Hello all, My first post here. I was wondering if anyone would be so kind as to provide a little help, but first let me say a sincere "thank you" to all who contribute here. Even though this is a first post, I have read some (as much as I can comprehend) of all this and it is quite phenomenal what you all are doing. Congrats, and thank you for such work.

I just bought a used GH2 with the 14-140mm lens. It's in awesome shape and I am looking to do some shorts on it. But first I am going to a National Park to film some mountain landscapes, lakes, rivers, sunsets/rises (so dark to light and opposite), forests etc. I will be shoot for long periods (-ish) at a time and am trying to decide on the right hack.

I have two PNY SDXC 90mpbs 64GB cards coming in the mail before I leave. So that should be set.

What would be the best hack for this? I am concerned that the ones producing 130+ results will be too much, being that this is my first DSLR and first GH2 and First hack (what have I done? lol). I don't want to run into trouble when I hike five hours up a peak at 5AM to have it produce some kind of error. So maybe something more around 80.

But neither do I want to get done with this "once in a lifetime" shooting opportunity and find there was a much better hack. I want "Wow" quality, movie quality stuff. You know what I mean? I am really tech savy and will do all my testing first, but I am wondering if anyone could suggest (and provide the appropriate link:) for the hack that is most reliable and still produces phenomenal results.

Thanks so very much!

JSP

The newest "breakthrough" test with FilmVision Pro - latest v7!!!

What's new: the "thin" picture of GH2 highly avoided; the videoish GH2 characteristics lowered; plus many other step procedures from A to Z.

No Magic Bullet Looks, no FilmConvert or any other artificial plugins used!

Very similar to the GH4 in 1080 mode, yes. 4K is where the real magic happens with the GH4, even if your are going to squeeze it down to a 1080p or 720p sequence/timeline.

Strange choices made with the camera settings in that video though..... ? :/

T8 probably needs to be a hack for the GH4.... ;)

The GH4 is simply amazing already, and with only 100Mb/s! if Vitaliy and Nick could do some of the magic to the GH4 that they did to the GH2 with Moon T7, it would open up some even more phenomenal image quality.

When I go back and look at some of my GH2 footage with Moon T7, there is a depth or a thickness to the image that is really pleasing. Every once in a great while, the incredibly detailed C4K image from the GH4 just looks a little thin on data, and that's when I think, "Wow, imagine if those guys could do their magic to this beast..."

I personally can't imagine the GH2 doing any better than Moon T7, but I sure can see the GH4 getting a shot in the arm. :)

@driftwood is t8 cancelled?

Moon T7. Password is "dj".

Can these Driftwood Cluster X series hacks be used on the GF2?

@caveport tnx for the HQ3GOP recommendation, since i need a PAL solution as well.

Test GH2 + 14-42 + Boom, newest FilmVision algorithm applied:

Hi all. Has anyone had experiences with shooting 25p with any of these patches (or any patch)? I would appriciate if you could share these here. I myself have tried T7 and T9 and the 25p footage come nowhere near what they deliver in 24p... Thankx

@tommydw Switch on camera. Display >Spanner>(page 3)>Video Out. Select Video Out. You should have a choice of NTSC or PAL. Choose NTSC.

Edit: Now reformat card: Display >Spanner>(page 5)>FORMAT. Most important. Can also recommend rtfm.

@Tjabo Thanks so much means a lot to hear things like that =D I used the panasonic 14-140 and the 14mm prime it was all shot on the gh2 even the "waterslide" parts. I can't stand the fish eye distortion on the GoPro...

Hi RdC, Thank you for your help. But I get a 50fps clip only. How can I achieve 60P?

would also love to see a direct comparison between moon t7 hacked gh2 and a gh4!

Has anyone on here seen mention of any direct comparisons between a Moon T7 hacked GH2 and a GH4? If I'm being honest, since I got my GH4 I haven't done anything with my GH2, but then I pulled up some old footage I took with T7, and it looked really good... :) I'll probably have to get it in gear and do some sort of a comparison some time coming up I guess.

I hacked my GH2 with Moon T7, how can I set it to 60P? Many thanks.

Looks great! @RdC

@matt_gh2 :) Thanks. When I use the 45-175 line. F5.6 I found flickering .I'm still trying to solve.:)

@inqb8tr

If I were you and I had to shoot something that long and wanted to make sure the camera would not freeze I would use Cake V2.3 excellent super reliable patch. I have tested this patch to death and it is super reliable. Out of the Cluster X series of patches I found Drewnet to be the most unreliable, try and shoot it in other modes and see what happens. The camera will freeze and you will have to perform a battery pull. So to your question I would say that Drewnet is more prone to freezing in general than any of the other patches from the Cluster X series. If I am not mistaken Drewnet actually pushes the envelope in terms of processing power so this is probably why it is more unstable.

I had a camera freeze with Drewnet T9 24H on the 64GB 95mbps Extreme Pro card at about 40 minutes of recording. Had to remove the battery. First freeze with GH2 for me ever, of course i had to happen in the middle of single camera shooting of theatre play.. I've always used intra settings before but I needed 90+ minutes of continuos recording time for this gig. Is this freeze thing totaly random or some settings are more prone to it than others? What other setting could I use for this kind of events?

Moon T7 24l :)

Thanks @Azo

Moon T7, nikon 70-210, Sigma 30

I must apologize. I didn't want to hijack the thread with the audio questions. I started a new thread (link below)

In the meantime:

I looked into the CM 60, @oto02, but I couldn't find one single sample online. Also, I would need to fashion a dead-cat for that one (that did not read - kill and skin a cat to make an accessory)

I also saw this and, I have to say, listening through my DT770 32ohm and dragonfly, the AT897 and the MKH 416 have a similar character since they have considerably less bass than the MKE 600. All three are the best here, though, at a distance.

This one is a close up test.

My work is more or less in between the two, both indoors and outdoors.

Both the AT897 and the MKE 600 can be battery powered, which I like.

After watching this, I have decided that the Rode Videomics do not offer me anything so I am going to sell mine and get either of the two above unless someone suggests something else.

I have started a new thread in the Audio and Music forum to make sure we don't go off topic for an extra page here and leave the patches and other related comments flourish here.

The new thread is here:

http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/10692/shotgun-mics-directly-to-the-gh2-with-the-448kbps-hack.-choices-and-advise

Many thanks again to everyone for their help. I would love it if anyone still interested in contributing can come over and continue to work out a good solution for a GH2+Mic lone rider combo for documentary work.

@hexagonal

If you check the popup in PTools, you'll see that any change to the audio bitrate will make the clips unplayable in camera. It's not likely the extra data that's doing it. Going from 192 to 448 is insignificant compared to the video bitrates being pushed. It's just the way the camera works. I believe this applies to ANY patch. You can't change the audio bitrate if you want in-camera playback.

Having said that, I prefer to push it myself. I recorded a live orchestra with both the GH2 at 448 and the Zoom H4n using 24/48 .wav files. I then cut up both tracks to switch between them in my NLE, and when exported to a new 24/48 wav file, I could not tell where the cuts were occurring on my semi-decent Denon/Paradigm sound system.

The GH2 records some DAMN good audio.

@hexagonal Yeah I'll be plugging into small Roland R-05 recorder, which has phantom power, and attaching recorder to camera rig/setup. Not sure if there's is a phantom power add-on/adapter that plugs into mics to give them phantom power. Once I actually use and test mic, I'll post my thoughts. I think it will be good based on samples I've heard so far.

@hexagonal For inexpensive mic, maybe try this $40 ISK CM-20C. I bought one and haven't tested yet, but build quality is solid and this link has some nice sounding videos shot with it:

http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/7630/best-indoor-mic-for-under-1000/p3

@hexagonal Here's the Sandisk card you want as recommended by @matthere. Price is down to $89. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/824149-REG/SanDisk_SDSDXPA_064G_A75_Extreme_Pro_64GB_SDHC_SDXC.html

That may solve spanning problem. The playback problem may be as @matthere described, but sometimes can also be caused by other things. For example, if I remember correctly, if you record a long clip, you're supposed to then immediately after record a short (~10 seconds) clip. If you don't, it can in some cases cause clip to be unable to playback in camera. If you read the FAQs on this site, they discuss a few things you should do, to avoid small glitches.

Good luck.

Hello everyone,

First of, I just wanted to say that this is a great community and thanks to it I went for a GH2 instead of a GH3 for my work. I think the patches (moon, flowmotion, etc) are amazing and they truly give a character to the files of the camera.

I do have a question, however, regarding an issue that I may be experiencing.

The first is in camera playback. I am using Moon T7 and when I patch the audio to the 448kbps and I cannot have in camera playback. If I patch without the audio patch, then I do get in camera playback.

Anyone experiencing this?

Also, my moon t7 patch does not span. I am using small 8gb 95mbps extreme pro cards and I suspect that the audio patch also makes moon t7 not span.

Always grateful for any help.

@LUPHA you will find the settings discussed in this thread on the first page of the thread along with notes about each variation, check out also the Faqs in the green menu at the top of the page. Other settings can be found on the blue menu to the right of the page, have fun! :)

where do i find these patches?

Hi there,

Another one with Moon7. Enjoy!

C&C welcome!

Hi all. Personally one reason to look forward to T8 is for the HBR 25p (since I work in the EU), which I never could have with moon T7 no matter what I tried... I now use T9, but even there 24p looks much better than 25p. So I really hope with T8 I'll be able to shoot my 25p videos and not be worried about technical failures or loss of quality... (thanks @driftwood for all the GREAT work!!!)

Hi There,

This one was filmed with Drewnet9.

Promo video I produced for a DJ company with Moon T7

The password to view it is “dj"

@jazzwalker Here's the test footage from Moon T8. There's something real special here. This would be a killer look for a feature film.

GH2 moon7 hack fuginon EBC 50mm at 1.8

@Shaveblog, couldn't have said it better myself. People should be more worried about shooting some stories on here. Where are they?

Congratulations @Shaveblog! Good words. And you said a thing that I believe you may help me: In your opinion (sorry my bad english) what is the patch that gives a more filmic look? IV2? Because I make films for Festivals and I need that look. And I love my GH2. Now I'm using Sedna AQ20b that is not in vogue. I thank your suggestions. Regards.

Guys, step back and look at yourselves. It may help you to understand why releasing a new GH2 patch isn't Nick's highest priority at the moment. For which I don't blame him one bit.

Imagine for a moment that you're him. For the past few years, you've spent hundreds of hours researching and refining a whole family of firmware patches, herding a group of experienced beta testers, and what's more, you've done all of this extremely difficult and time-consuming work for free, allowing anyone to download it and enjoy the wholesale visual improvements it brings to the GH2.

Why did you put yourself through all that? Because you wanted to contribute to the community of aspiring filmmakers. The thing that pushed you every step of the way was the goal of putting true professional-level video capture in the hands of the next Scorcese. Making it easier for anyone with good ideas and taste to compete in the big leagues and change the face of cinema.

So after all that hard work, what did it get you? Spec shakycam HDR rap videos that look no better than if they'd been shot with a smartphone. Hours and hours of Vimeo backyard foliage. Slo-mo clips of girlfriends and/or children being followed around city streets, tourist attractions, and shabby backyards. Not to mention an infinite number of "tests" posted in these threads, years after the last patch was released, as if one more 30 second YouTube of people walking down the street adds any possible kind of useful data point to whatever ongoing development loop you guys somehow still think exists. Like Nick's following these threads every day, murmuring to himself, "What the devil?! I'm suddenly seeing matricing flaws in Moon T7 because of Wifebeater69LOL's downconverted SD Vimeo of his cat! Well done, Wifebeater69LOL! I must attack the problems immediately!"

And how do you suppose Driftwood feels about continuing (and by that I mean continuing to go on living at all) if you swung by these parts and saw:

"WAREZ MY GH4 HACKZ? I HAZ NO GH4 LOLZ BUT I AM NEED HACKZ CUZ BETTER HA!"

"Another DEADLINE MISSED, Driftwood? Tsk tsk. You ruined my Father's Day, I want you to know."

"Iz the hacked GH2 still usable? Cuz it am coming out 2 years ago and countless amazing looking films were shot over the past 50 years with cameras nowhere near as capable, but screw that, 2 years is ANCIENT HISTORY AND I HAZ THE ATTENTION SPAN OF A GENE-DAMAGED FRUIT FLY so shud I huck my now-useless GH2 in the river or am it make a good counterweight for my $900 Gini rig I boughted to stabilize my backyard test footage?"

Let's be frank. As far as the firmware hacks go, they stopped being "better" quite awhile ago. Once the patches got all-Intra and >70Mb/sec, significant visual improvement hit a plateau, despite the OMGITZSOMUCHBETTER auto-chorus that erupts 5 seconds after every new version drops. In a perfect world, Nick would release T8 and it would be the original GH2 firmware, and it wouldn't matter because all the yahoos would go nuts all over again and declare it the RED/Black Magic/etc. killa, long live the king, hellz yeah and so forth.

I admit, it was hugely entertaining that time Nick put out two versions of the patch, one with the standard 23.976 frame rate and the other with 24 fps, because then we got to guffaw at the amateurs crowing about how filmic "true 24p" looks, and the few pros left here face-palming, again. But really, it's time to wind this party down, my fellow as-yet-undiscovered filmmakers. If you really think there's room in that aging silicon for one more blow against the empire, I've got a $900 Gini rig to sell you.

Myself, I'm perfectly happy with both T7 and IV2, and I use both depending on the job - IV2 if I need baked footage with a film look for a quick turnaround, and T7 if I have the time to run it through Filmconvert and grade it exactly how I want it. But I was perfectly happy with SMBUP way back when flappers danced the Charleston atop biplane wings over the Atlantic.

The GH2 may no longer be in production but it's far from dead. It shoots circles around anything Canon's got out now, and makes tons more sense for the indie shooter than any of the BM cameras. If you can't afford a RED, you want a hacked GH2, full stop. I've been shooting the hell out of this camera and I'm in no more of a rush to replace it with the GH4 than I was to replace it with the GH3. Above a certain baseline of technical performance, the outcome depends on the shooter, not the camera, and even the stock GH2 lives comfortably above that baseline. If your profession requires 4K acquisition then good for you, but I'd wager that exactly zero of the folks here fall into that category, and that even the stock GH2 is ludicrous overkill for what anyone here's doing with a video camera.

So Nick, don't sweat this thread, or Moon T8 deadlines either, even if they were self-imposed. If I were you, I'd keep my eye on the ball of scoring some kind of real paying gig with Panasonic PR and forget about the hack scene.

And the rest of you? Wake up. The dream is over. The last hackable Lumix that was actually worth hacking rolled off the line years ago. Thanks for everything, Nick, and Vitaliy, and Chris Brandin, LPowell, all you guys who put your heads together and make these cameras better. It's been a fun ride, but it's time to move on.

"There seems to be a lot of confusion about what these higher bitrate hacks and different GOP lengths can do for the image quality" - that's what wrote many times here and unfortunately I proved right. Anyway...

About the plug-in: working on an algorithm inside which can generate and "glut" the picture of GH2 and other poor image cameras, so that it reaches much of what motion pictures have. It's quite hard and difficult process...

@Azo: Does your mind really allow you to think that all you wrote to me is something I've not been thinking about?!? What I wrote is not a matter of appreciation or critics, it's a question of information!!!

No one said Nick MUST do his work for me , for you, for all of us. So, don't distort my words!!!

Actually, everything costs its price, but some info is what has matter in my post. Just asked for info about changes and modifications of T8, even if that means it will be released on Christmas or later.

Crying begins to sound closer to being spoiled.

Guys, just be patient, most likely Driftwood's super busy with other things and he doesn't owe us anything. Also, I wouldn't expect anything miraculous from T8 - there's prolly not much juice left to squeeze from our beloved little GH2s:)

@lonely1: Definitely! Since the beginning of February T8 is being "refining" - nothing bad, but since this forum was created especially for this purpose and a lot of members are here from all around the world, all we should know already what kind of modification and "refining" is T8 for - the same as we knew for example about GH4 specifications before it was released. Am I right or wrong?

Sorry for my sincerity, but a doubt appears about if T8 is significantly worth, especially if its modifications are based on GH3/4.

That may be so, but when someone announce a release on a date, people depend on it. This is like 3 times postphoned already.

@cjdincer: Or a silence before the next few months of silence :)

@TATZU: Wait for another weekend.

Since T8 wasn't released again, at least an info should be released about it.

Actually, the complete information in advance about T8 specifications and what to expect from it would be more interesting than the patch itself. For now...

great news. more refined and tuned version of moon. :)

Awesome. Been waiting for Moon T8 for a while. Think it will be an awesome compliment to my GH4.

Moon t5 with minolta rokkor-x 50, iso 320.

Not gonna lie, I'm pretty satisfied with Moon T7. Curious to what T8 will do. Moon T7 is enough! lol

@Tjabo thanks.:) manual focus. in the hall. t8!

i hope there will be special version of T8 for class 10cards :), somethin like T8-C10 :)

Hi Driftwood Great to hear that T8 is coming. I believe you have been working on the HBR (25p) mode. When you release your version can you say what to expect from this mode and what cards and lens (auto focus) etc you used for the testing. Super work Cheers Peter

Yeah!!! Waiting for it!!! You are the best.

@AlbertZ Thanks. I use 14-42 Kit Lens , leica dg 1.4 and stage lighting & optical flares . :)

How much better can moon-T8 be? I feel moon-T7 is more than impressive already

Test video I just did, recently got back my reconditioned Isco 2x lens.

GH2(Moon-T7 24H), Isco 2x, Nikon 85mm @F2, no filters, light unmask sharp.

@jpturbo Damn - pretty stable and steady shot for just placing tripod in backseat. Nice one. (Also has nice feel/mood to it...like a beginning to nice drama/thriller movie.)

@pilotisafk Looks very nice.

Sorry my stupid question, but what is the setting to shoot at 60P on GH2? I never can do a good slow motion... thanks guys.

@pilotisafk really good looking video dude!

@matt_gh2

It was on a smallish tripod behind the front seats.

I didn't wind the engine out near as much as I normally do because I was worried about it tipping over.

SOOC Moon T7 60p, 1/250 shutter.

ilia310101 "When is Moon T8 going to come out?"

http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/comment/106529#Comment_106529

http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/comment/125763#Comment_125763

@azo

24p vs 23.976... some of these settings claim to record at 24p, not 23.976.. i wass wondering if there is proof the recording is recorded at 24fps and not at 23.976... just curious.

When is Moon T8 going to come out?

Shoot 23.976 fps

2 questions for whomever..

Which version of moon had the smaller files?

Also has anyone found definitive evidence of recordings at 24p versus 23.976? thanks

@Brian_Siano, This road is,...This is true not only for Luna7.I'm glad if we helped

@Brian_Siano,Yes, what I said is @Meierhans, true and very important for 30p,or 25p

LOL, shoots, sorry my video upload started a grading debate. I thought about providing a dropbox link for the original files but forget about it! Bottom line is that these hacks with settings turned down allows one to push the grade to what ever look they want. Some people like Producer prefer darker shadows/higher saturation and others don't! Good thing were all different otherwise it would be boring. I agree with sam, no need to continue that topic here. Even though I now have the GH4, I also look forward to Driftwood's new release and plan to keep the GH2 no matter what! It will make a good B camera to the GH4 more so than the GH3 I think, at least in terms of video. And it is small so Ideal for mounting on a Gimbal.

Well, there's that jitter problem I reported a few days ago. Once again, the details. Shot scenes with the Moon T7 version that shoots at pure 24 and 30 fps. My 30fps footage has this vertical jitter, as though every other frame was one pixel higher or lower. No such jitter on the 24fps footage. (This is playback within Premiere Pro.) Any idea what's wrong?

I think we should have a Grade-off, where everyone downloads the Vimeo comverted hd.mp4 file :-)

This grading motion picture cinematic look whatsoever talk is going nowhere. It's somewhat subjektive and should not be discussed in this topic…

@producer. No, the highlights look poorly colored on the BMPCC shot and the saturation looks strange.

There are some odd color tones going on in everything that you grade, it looks like magic bullet gone wrong.

@sleepy32: Ha?!?!?!? Actually the 1st BMPCC looks drastically sharper, and of course thinner - that's what you mean, I'm sure (typical for BMPCC). Well, that's what was in the original source, what can I do?!? There is a sand on the 1st picture - very fine sand. While there is a coarse soil dry ground on the 2nd. Please, judge and compare objectively!

@crowbar: Ok, here it is:

P.S.: Just in addition few hours after this upload - accidentally I've found a frame from "2 Guns" (Denzel Washington and Mark Wahlberg). The tones, nuances and the general look and feel of my grading is very close to the movie.

You can easily suppose that the both frames are from the same movie, can't you?

@producer, I like very much what you did to the GH2 clips and yes more cinematic! Very nice to see that the hacked GH2 can be be pushed to create such artistic looks with the right knowhow and software. Would be interesting to see the same grade on several of the BMPCC raw clips for comparison. Anyhow, I guess I've been trying to grade more toward what my eyes saw in reality - white sand, tanned Asian skin with reddish, brown tones etc. Think I first need to become proficient in such basic skill before moving onto more such artistic looks but yes now what was that software you used! LOL Not wanting to get too far off topic with color grading talk but thanks for showing how flexible and cinematic the GH2 hacked footage can be!

@ Producer: hi, hey finally had a chance to make a version of the Moon T7 and BMPCC footage comparison with ungraded/graded clips - they appear in the 2nd part here. I just re-graded the clips as of May 27. I realize more and more that not having a professional, calibrated monitor is a real disadvantage - what I see in the NLE turns out very different once exported and then even more once uploaded to Vimeo - has anyone else noticed that Vimeo colors are more reddish/Magenta than what is displayed on your monitor before upload? Plus the Vimeo version looks darker than original. I have grown to like more and more the BMPCC image while still appreciating the hacked GH2 high bit rate image and easier workflow. And now with his own graded example of several of these clips, Producer shows in the next post how cinematic the hacked GH2 can be when graded for such looks.

@crowbar and @BurnetRhoades Yeah the bmpcc did look to have a softer look while the gh2 is extremely sharp which is good for nature but bad for people. My main complaint of the entire GH1,2,3,4 line is DYNAMIC RANGE! I find it pretty hideous and it seems like my damn galaxy s5 cell phone has better dynamic range. And constantly filming in the rain-forest dynamic range is a MUST! Maybe gh5?

Hopefully @Driftwood work with the GH4 will improve things because right now the codec is quite harsh in how it deals with highlights, compared with the GH2. They tend to clip out in a very ugly way by comparison to the GH2.

@crowbar you got a gh4? LUCKY! Me wants one i'm on O'ahu you can see some my films https://www.youtube.com/user/TatzuFilms

@crowbar: Would you upload the original video before the color grading?

@WarLightUK Thank You So Much It Works AMAZING! FINALLY! Totally worth the measly $20.00

@tuxn Can you clarify a bit?

• What mode are you in (24P, 25P, 30P, 50P, 60P, 50i, 60, VMM) when you get an error?
• Does it fail to record at all, record for a few sessions or does it simply fail to span? To clarify, failing to span means that it records one file about 4GB in size and then stops.
• What is the exact nature of the error (stops recording or gives an error message or camera locks up)?
• Which capacity of the SanDisk Pro 95 MB/s card are you using?

moon T7 L :)

A little 'on the fly' fun at the park. Spizz T6, 24p, various shutter speeds.

@ TATZU

Movist

Andi68, please wich 'cluster x' and lenses are you using on video 'flycam nano...vegas'? Moon? Thanks.

@paulo It depends on what you are going for.

The Tiffen low contrast filter does what it says it will, but how much you'll like it depends partly on how consistent your lighting will be and how sharp vs. soft you prefer your footage.

If you prefer your footage a little softer, it can definitely help a bit in a lot of lower light situations, provided you have enough light to keep much of the frame properly exposed to begin with. Remember, the filter is spreading light from the brighter parts to the darker parts, so if you're underexposed across the board, you're just going to end up with a poorly defined mess. That probably goes without saying, but I figured it's best to be clear. :)

Anyway, I found that the upper limit of sharpness that could be achieved when using the filters was lower than without them, but that also meant that it was easier to achieve a pleasant softness when called for.

The filters meant that I had to pay more attention to halation, flares and veiling than I did without them but were often quite useful. I found I used them a lot more when shooting people than when just shooting landscapes and exteriors where I wanted more detail.

I hope that helps somewhat.

Here are some screenshots I posted a while back using various Tiffen Ultra Contrast filter options to shoot just a landscape - I'll see if I can find the ones with my face.

http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/comment/70232#Comment_70232

EDIT: Just found the ones with my face. Please excuse the rapidly changing lighting in them - but they are certainly a good illustration of why you don't always want the sharpest image. ;)

http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/comment/62717#Comment_62717

@miked Thanks! I haven't seen them yet, but I guess one or a few of the guys grew up around here. Or maybe people I know, know them from ECU..either way, there's a lot of local love for them.

What do you guys think? I was playing around with a grade and I tried to replicate this scene from Game Of Thrones. The hack was intravenous.

shot with my GH2 cluster x

shot with my GH2 cluster x

Hey Guys Check out my new video that I shot with my GH2 moon t7. Thanks @driftwood :) Pretty Happy with the results.

Used mainly 14-140 and glide cam 2000.

Let me know what you think.

Used Magic Bullet looks and Film convert to colour correct and also did some tweaking in PP.

Best to let VK know via PM, Andy68, AndyVia etc has been banned many times but keeps appearing under new username and posting off topic.

SAMSUNG GALAXY NOTE 3 WITH LENS 12X !"!

@gardener. Yes, I believe the filter is essentially diffusing the ambient (thus averaging it) and using it to pull up the frame uniformly... so the more light you have hitting the filter, the greater the effect. You've got to shield the filter to control the effect sometimes, as a bright sun whose angle is changing as you shoot causes more problems than it solves :)

Another Moms clip.. Had a few card errors (I still have the 45MB/s Sandisk cards) in SH mode with the Panny 45-200 zooming in and recording. Other than that, smooth as ever.

I love the 'video look' that Samsung have managed to achieve with this phone. Looks nothing like the horrible 'pretend' cinema look my GH2 produces with Moon T7. lol

SAMSUNG GALAXY NOTE VIDEO TEST 4K!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zEcrwSSf88Q

The Mitra Babak Show. Sorry its in Farsi, but was all filmed with a GH2 Moon T7

How much of a difference is there in image quality between Moon-T7 24H and 24L? On paper 24H is better, but in real world situations and through our eyes. Is there a visible difference? Cause in 24H, I can only record up to 4-mins continuous before it stops.

And I'm using a SanDisk 32GB Extreme Pro SDXC UHS-1 by the way. So I'm hoping if I switch to 24L I'll have a longer continuous recording time. But if image quality is a sacrifice by going 24L, then I'll just deal with it, and stick to 24H.

What do you guys think?

@Manu4Vendetta i used the 14-140 and the 14mm f2.5 both panasonic lenses.

@tatzu, what lenses? very nice footage.

I flashed Nebula T7 and did a 30 mins test. It spans on a 32Gb Toshiba EXCERIA™ TypeHD (Write 30MBs) at HBR and 720 60P. It failed to span on Sandisk Extreme Ultra 32Gb.

I will buy a 64Gb EXCERIA™ Type2 (Write 60MB) and test.

All Shot On MoonT7

Guys regarding the GH2 (hacked) vs GH3 debate - here is my 2c from using a hacked GH2 for about 2 years and about 1 year with the GH3.

GH2

+Sharper EVF +More detail in the image even vs the higher bit rates on GH3 +Low light is better in someways as the noise looks like film grain -Hack can crash camera, stops recording - horrible buttons and ergonomics

GH3

+Works with crappy SD cards - didn't need to pay $200 for an SD card but prices are lower now +Skin tones are better +Think dynamic range is better +Just works - good on commercial shoots +Better photos / stills +Weather proof +buttons ergo comics are much better

My number one gripe with the GH3 is the crap crap EVF and the inability for my to pull a focus in run and gun situation! Also the focus magnifications can't be used after you press record!

I can't wait to get my GH4 with focus assist (wow theirs a concept) of and if anyone wants to buy a GH3 for $800 :) .........(Just shot a piece with my GH3 and a buddy used his t2i (hacked) and I was impressed with this $400 camera's image so that's another option but no EVF but he managed to focus the thing OK.)

I haven't been using the gh2 for awhile. However, I recently had a shoot where some equipment didn't arrive in time, so I used my gh2 as backup. After getting back into the edit with the gh2 moon t7 footage, I was amazed. The grain on this patch is just class. Love it. It made me curious about the gh3 and the latest gh4's look. For those that are using both, how does it compare to the gh2 patch's for feel and vibe?

To me, a little camera support would be nice, that was very shaky.

@driftwood: where's Moon T8?

@andy68

Does this video have anything to do with Cluster X Series? Maybe you are posting it in the wrong forum or wrong thread? I don't understand why you are posting this in this thread.

Moon t7 :)24L.

T7 noise / grain looks very amazing. I'm a huge fan of the kind of patern it forms. Plus it is very well distributed accross the whole image making the denoise (if necessary) goes very smooth while it maintains details.

@jhonnyskulls

Very good content and clip. Can you explain what did you use to stabilise your GH2 ? and what is the follow focus ? Thanks

I'm seeing the same as Burnet. The reason MT7 looks 'noisier' is that it's actually a more detailed image with fewer artifacts. That, to me, is what I consider a 'better image'.

I have attached frames from my GH2 zoomed in 400% (completely unscientific tests) of Stock, Flowmotion, and MoonT7. The MoonT7 seems to have a slight green shift, and has the most noise/grain "dots". Then I guess it just gets muddier/blurred as you go to Flowmotion, and then Stock. I don't know if having that grain there is supposed to be better? But Flowmotion/Stock looks nicer to me. Settings were all the same using a Panasonic 12-35mm F2.8, 1/50, ISO1600, 3200K, Nostalgic -1, -1, 0, -2

my anamorphic moon TZ

@GeoffreyKenner

Yea, i tried to do something similar in photoshop - noise+surface blur with gradient, but it requires a lot of time for rendering.

@ninurta I did a quick process to remove it, it's fairly easy. I did a crappy work though (fine detailed lost in the landscape). To do that properly -> 1) Add a grain layer to soften all the sky with grain which will mixed up with the banding. Try applying it only to the sky (use keying). Then Render and do a de-noise process to remove that grain / noise which will remove all the banding (do the denoise only in the sky with keying). If you are then very good at deep compositing, you can sample your own GH2 footage noise and reverse it back to the sky (use NukeX amazing grain/noise nodes for example). Best luck.

@olli66 you should probably find the proper topic for that question :)

@olli66

The only reliable setting that I have found for 30p is Cake V2.3. Cake V2.3 offers excellent video quality for the 24p and 30p modes. So if you need to shoot in 30p you may want to consider this patch, it is super reliable and offers excellent video quality. I modified most of the 30p/720p settings in Flowmotion v2.02, Moon T-4, Moon T-5, etc to allow for reliable recording in the 30p/720p modes. I tested my modified versions of Moon T-4 pretty extensively with the Death Chart in 24p, 30p and the 720p modes and recorded for at least 1hr in those modes on the Death Chart. Keep in mind I did not change any of the 24p settings on any of the patches.

I experimented with recording in 24p and exporting to 30p, IMO this is a very good alternative to recording in 30p mode. The quality is outstanding if you have the export parameters (24p to30p) setup correctly. So this is really a hard decision and you must make the choice. IMO 24p allows the most flexibility and of course there are proponents on both sides of the fence in regards to recording in 24p or 30p.

The settings that I have to export 24p to 30p has its drawbacks though because it takes a long time to export (highest settings for export quality) but the video quality is outstanding. Ultimately you need to decide what is best for you and your workflow. I am a stickler for getting the absolute best quality out the GH2 whilst providing reliable recording. So that being the case even though it would be easier to shoot everything in 30p ( for your uses ) I would probably still shoot in 24p and export to 30p.

I attached the modified Moon T-4 versions so you can shoot in 30p mode with excellent quality. I also have the modified Moon T-5 versions attached, although I did not test Moon T-5 in the 30p/720p modes, it should work just the same as Moon T-4 because T-4 is basically the same as T-5 with the exception of the quantizer and a couple of other settings.

23.976 will be ok.

should I set the other cams to 24p as well and render to 24p? I hardly know any concerts in 24p

@olli66 depends on what you are gonna do with it later, tv, web...?

should I set the other cams to 24p as well and render to 24p? I hardly know any concerts in 24p...

guys, short question...I am using the T5 hack...shooting concerts with two GH2's, one GH3 and one GH4 soon and additionally Gopro3 and Panasonic HC-X929...to which resolution/framerate should I set my cams?

@driftwood that concert footage is solid man! great job next week I shoot a concert with two gh2's with t5 hack, one gh3, gopro3 and panasonic hc-x929. next months a gh4 will be added to the lineup... the gh2's I own since last week. manual film mode set to manual gives me a total screwed up picture. only the hbr mode works but I thought I could shoot with 50fps instead of just 50 did I setup everything correctly?

@Tjabo yes you've found it, 24L is the sweet spot on moon T7. it spans just fine w/a toshiba card. shooting a bird doc since last year; no hick ups. :)

@Tjabo

Honestly, I did not even think to use the 24L settings. Something I will definitely look into though because I actually prefer the look of T-7 over T-5/T-4.

Here is my latest nature short. 98% shot on MoonT7! MY FAVORITE HACK EVER!

@driftwood why there is no Moon T6 ? From T5 directly to T7? i mean is there any reason to skip Moon T6? and sir is this the last patch. i heard that Moon T8 is gonna be the final patch for GH2. thats exciting. will you share few info About Moon T8?

I had the same problem on 32gb 45mbs cards, it usually stops after 4 minutes of record time. 64 gb 95mbs doesn't seems to have this problem for me but on the other hand it sometimes has the "file number limit exceeded" problem usually after half the card is full. Not a problem for doing short films since we make backup after each sequences but it can be a real pain when doing some interviews or shooting a music band concert, wedding...

moon t7 20mm 1.7 (24p - hbr)

@driftwood, are you able to make any comments about T8 yet as far as what types of different characteristics you are shooting for or anything?

@driftwood Nick are you almost done with Moon T-8? I am eagerly awaiting this release ;-)

@johnhizzle

Try out Moon T-4.....

I have a set of vintage lenses (Nikon Ai 28mm f2.8, Nikon Ais 35mm f2, Nikon Ai 50mm f1.4 and Canon FD 85mm f1.8) these lens would be softer than some of my Panasonic and Olympus lenses. Moon t7 would do an excellent job with my sharp lenses but would anyone recommend a hack for these softer primes?

Thanks in advance

@driftwood thank you for the details, i understand and you're right about GH2, a real gem and it's really more than what i need for now. i'll check moon t8 when it's done!

@endotoxic yes, a stratocaster ;)

gh2 is like a fender guitar series that sound grate from some special year. they cant be sold for nothing,the image aquired from this low cost monsters is very original and has its own look.

Hey, been awhile but never dissapointed when I visit this site! Just changed out the Apocalypse Now hack on my GH2 - ex:

and now have Moon T7 installed. Have the GH4 pre-ordered and also looking forward to the Sony A7s along with the Atomos Shogun 4K recorder/display monitor. But between the 3 cameras I now own - GH2, GH3 and BMPCC, I am thinking to sell the GH3 to help pay for GH4. From what I've seen posted here and also from my own experience, these hacks on GH2 beat the GH3 in image quality and so will make a better companion to the GH4. Without a GH3 hack, I don't think I would use it once the GH4 arrives? As I have yet to shoot with Moon T7, I am hoping it is as stable using the Extreme Pro 95 MB/s SDC I class card which worked fine with the Apocalypse Now patch although usually no playback on camera. If interested, here is a two camera music shoot with the Apocalypse Now on GH2 and the BMPCC: password is "northernlights" Couldn't match up the two cameras perfectly but the GH2 holds it's own, is definately sharper even after sharpening BMPCC in post. Depending on the subject, I sometimes like the softer look of BMPCC.

@Azsimov Thx !

Hey guys, I have been asking recently about sharper settings like Moon T4, (which I have downloaded but so far not had a chance to try out), but I have to say now that I have these sharp lenses that Moon T7 was intended for, it is PHENOMENAL!

I do still plan to try out Moon T4, but the last bits I've shot have looked amazing with the 12-35 and the 45-175. Monday I shot quite a lot of footage for a friend, so I shot it on 24L, and even it looked amazing. Of course it's still around 80Mb/s, so I guess it would... :)

@matt_gh2: I agree with you that Moon T4 is the sharpest version. I tried Moon T4-T7 and T4 was exactly the sharpness I was looking for. Shot tests with a Canon FD 50mm/f1.4 and it was noticeable in the fine details. Then when I added post-sharpening, the image was tack. Couldn't ask for more. I'm sticking with Moon T4 for now.

Although, I wished Driftwood would make a version with the sharpness of T4 and the improvements found in T7. That'd be perfect.

@tymeorama thx you sir!

about recording with an creative white balance?, which would benefit with a flat profile record? I've been testing using creative wb plus lenses color filters and I think things are going well

this is a trailer of my commercial making with gh2 with moon t7 ( and couple of hours later my gh2 died after not original battery suddenly turn off during the update for intravenus II :( Looking for new gh2.

hope you enjoy!

@vstardust Looks great man.

mostly moon t7 with a bit of t5:

And here are some frames of my next project raw and edited (first frame is T5, second is T7)