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Driftwood Cluster X series 3:│moon T7│ЅріzZ T6│Nebula T7│Drewnet T9│
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  • @Tjabo Thanks! I'm using Smooth -2-2-2-2 @ 24H. Yes the motion is jittery. Filmed at 1/60. Youtube compression also messed with the quality in the clips with the leaves.

  • @edgenumbers I use Smooth -2-2-2-2.

  • @T1000, beautiful footage, which setting was that in Moon T7? I don't know if I'm using the terminology correctly to ask that...? I'm guessing it is 24H, because that gives the greatest bitrate (I'm guessing that is what people really like), and also the motion as you pan up the tree looks a little jittery, kind of like what I saw with the 24H.

    @babak, what is your lens, settings, and card setup that hasn't liked Moon T7 at all?

    I completed some initial tests with SpizZ T6 a short while ago, and overall my camera liked it less than it liked Moon T7. With my same 32gig Extreme Pro 95MB/s card (that writes at a max speed of 82MB/s from my testing), I can't even get 2 full minutes of "H" mode with AFC on. Across the board, everything that bound on Moon T7 bound up just a little bit sooner on SpizZ T6.

    I'll get some additional video tomorrow when I have some light again, as the sun was setting when I was shooting with the SpizZ -- I had to get all the way up to ISO 1600. In the fading light, the SpizZ T6 gave the impression that the image quality was less than with Moon T7.

    If I get a chance tomorrow in good light, I may run quickly through some comparison shots on the Glidecam with SpizZ T6, Moon T7, and Drewnet T9. In order to get quickly through them, I will probably just do some shots in H mode with AFC, and then some in SH with manual focus that seems to give me up to about a minute 50 and seconds. So far, those shots in Moon T7 have been my favorite.

  • What settings are people using with Moon T7? @driftwood Was it created to use standard settings 0,0,0,0?

  • Been awhile since I posted. Here's a short video with Moon T7:

  • @powderbanks, thanks for the detailed answer, really appreciated. Again, your video looks really great. I also like how the 'characters' are built up, almost like a narrative film.
    Well sadly I cannot get T7 to work for me (except only once, just to see how great the image quality was)

  • Thanks @tjabo ! I really appreciate the feedback. Id ask for votes but I think it's too late for that as one entrant has over a million subscribers and already 20x the 2nd closest lol.

  • @powderbanks, thank you for the answer here and on Vimeo!!! Were you able to use SH mode with the kit lens on AFC for any length of time? I have gotten almost 2 minutes out of it using a Nikon 50mm AF lens on a wide aperture, but the other end of the spectrum is an average of only about 10 seconds with the 14-42 lens on AFC at f8.

    Some of the sharpest looking footage I have gotten so far was with the kit lens on 14mm at f10, 1/125, 160 ISO, with manual focus left in place at somewhere around a 15ft focus distance. I got about 1 minute 50 seconds out of that, which is pretty similar to what I got with the Nikon 50mm I guess...

    Time to move on to SpizZ T6 I guess. SH mode seems to be where I want to be, and it's not quite happening for me with the Moon T7.

    @kevin_kirchman, crazygood vid! Laughed my but off!!! :)

  • @Tjabo I did some calculations a while back and 45MB/s cards should have more than enough write speed to handle most any patch; having said that, I'd still rather have 95MB/s cards. I answered your questions on the vimeo page, but I'll answer them here too. No glidecam with the GH2; I used a Zenitar 18/2.8 fisheye (M42 mount) with a M42 to FD adapter and the FD SpeedBooster. As for a rig, it's this thing:

    http://www.amazon.com/Opteka-Professional-Camcorder-Stabilizing-Handle-/dp/B003PBB4ME/ref=sr_1_3/188-8401724-4787023?ie=UTF8&qid=1384957537&sr=8-3&keywords=camera+rig

    I ride a Black Label semi-cruiser board with OJ wheels that are pretty soft so the ride is super smooth. The only GoPro footage was the shots of the guy in the waterslide (you can kind of tell because I couldn't get it to really match the GH2 footage...color grading n00b). The rest of the shots were mostly the kit 14-42, the long shot across the go kart tracks was with the Panasonic 45-200, and then there were a few shots with a Toyo 28/2.8.

    @babak GoPro footage (Hero 3, silver) was shot at 1280x960/30fps, interpreted to 24fps to calm some of the bouncy-ness. All of the rest was shot 1080/24fps in 24p Cinema mode; with the exception of the shot of the guy Bam-dropping off the bridge. That was 720/60fps in SH mode, with a tiny bit of time remapping in Premier. I'm using the Trial 7 set that is at actual 24 and 60fps.

    @matt_gh2 Thanks! It's been my favorite of these lookbooks that I've been shooting.

  • Another video I shot with Moon T7. Let me know what you think.

  • @matt_gh2, thanks for the info, I will look around for the settings/patches by @bkmcwd, and I will continue with some more testing of Moon T7 before I even switch to SpizZ T6 (?) to try that.

    @powderbanks, thank you also for the info! It sounds like you are getting slightly better performance out of your Sandisk 45MB/s cards than I am getting out of my Extreme Pro's, so maybe I won't drop the $120 on a 64gb Extreme Pro just yet. I had my lens wide open in relatively high ISO conditions last evening when my camera wouldn't run SH mode for more than 28 seconds. I still don't understand why it will reliably run 24H at 143Mb/s....?

    Also, I left you some questions about your video as far as whether you had some Glidecam action in there and/or some GoPro, and what lenses you used on the GH2 for it? If you want to answer them here, no need for redundant answers in both places. Phenomenal video! :)

  • @powderbanks That skateboarding video rocks. Best I've seen because you get the feel for the groups camraderie and their sense of fun. Music perfect. Awesome stuff really!

  • Hi @powderbanks, your video looks great. Can you please share which formats, frame rates etc you've shot this? thanks

  • @coricidin12 try non-panasonic lenses

  • @Tjabo That sounds like it. Can't remeber if that setting/patch was made by @driftwood or @bkmcwd but they both make good settings. I also think @bkmcwd starts with the primary goal of having a setting that never stops recording, so definitely look at his settings which also get good reviews. Good luck with settings...and weather.

  • @Tjabo Your issues with SH mode and AFC will cause my GH2 to freeze up as well. Granted, I'm using Sandisk 45MB/s cards, but that's the only way it will. And even then it has to be stopped down to f8 or more to cause issues. A combination of the detail, continuous autofocus and bitrate seem to grind the GH2 to a halt. Try just turning off AFC and you should be okay.

    Another video lookbook I shot with Moon Trial 7.

  • Thanks matt_gh2!

    Looking back at page 1 of this thread some more, it looks like setC, "Spizz" might be the settings that were supposed to be good for motion. @driftwood did a video comparing it to Flowmotion and showing a bunch of information that I didn't understand yet that culminated with something to the effect of "Goodbye Flowmotion!"

    So, I will give setC a shot later in the day when we finally have some light here in dreary old Michigan. Lol

    In the mean time, I'll try to google up some actual speed tests for the various sizes of Extreme Pro cards, and see if there is anything there. So far I haven't found the stuff about cards on this site that you mentioned.

  • @Tjabo I think there was a @driftwood setting/patch that was really good with motion but I cant remember -maybe somebody can chime in if they know. Also the Flowmotion setting/patch gets good reviews for motion. Re 64GB Sandisk 95 MB/S, some have said they actually test somewhat quicker than the 32GB even though SanDisk lists both at 95 MB/s. Also read faq on this website re issues and errors that occasionally come up with diff SD cards. Just did 18 day shoot with Sandisk 64 GB and only had 1 error (no shots lost, just appeared to be and scared us, but shots were there when checked on laptop).

  • Hey guys! I have a new-to-me GH2 that came with what the previous owner thought was Moon T5 on it. All that really worked with my 95MB/s Extreme Pro cards (8 and 32gig) was the HD MJPG mode, and that wasn't exactly reliable. My needs are primarily for Glidecam work on high speed objects--dogs tearing after people to get bites. Lol

    Earlier today I tried Drewnet T9, and everything seemed to work, but at first blush I wasn't blown away by the quality, so I installed Moon T7 setE and have the following to report: With the Panasonic 14-42 on continuous autofocus at 14mm, in aperture priority wide open, everything seemed to work well other than FSH and SH modes, which would fail after 20 seconds or so.

    Interestingly (to me, the noob, Lol), 24H runs fine at ~142Mb/s, and the SH is crashing at about 51Mb/s... There is a lot of motion blur on my Glidecam as expected when using the 24H, so it isn't a great answer for me.

    Also, despite reading that the 1080i60 modes are really 1080/30P in an "interlaced wrapper," they appear for all the world to me to be interlaced recordings, with all of the jaggedy edges on everything like the bad old days of video! Haha

    I ran one test of SH mode with an old Nikon 50mm AF lens on manual mode everything, and it seemed fine. 24H also worked great, but even with ensuring a proper 1/50th shutter speed, the motion blur is too much for me.

    Summary for me at this point: With the Panny lens on AFC, my good 60fps option is H, at about 35Mb/s, and my good 30fps option is HD at about 83Mb/s.

    I have speed tested my cards with Crystal Disk Mark, and they are comparable, with about 96MB/s max read speed and 82MB/s max write speed. Are the 64gig cards really fast enough that all of these modes will likely be usable with one of them, or am I likely to have similar results but be $120 lighter in the wallet? :)

    Any suggestions? Anything the developers need more data on? I'd be happy to try out whatever settings are suggested.

    THANKS! :)

  • I have been trying out some of the new patches, mostly Moon T7 and Drewnet 9. I am getting some weird resolving with straight lines at angles, for example the guitar strings in the attached photo (unprocessed, drewnet 9). The strings and frets don't look smooth at all, they look broken up, not even like straight lines. I've tried different patches and they all look the same. Is this just a limitation of the sensor? I love the gh2 and haven't noticed this problem before, but I've done mostly outdoor landscape shooting with it.image

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  • I absolutely LOVE that moustache video! So much so I totally forgot to look at the video quality, but I'm sure it is fantastic like all the other videos made with Moon T7 have been.

  • @kevin_kirchman Dude is funny. Great video.

  • @nickgiumenti The downloads can be found on the first page of this thread, in the first few posts by Driftwood.

  • Why cant I see any download link? Ive tried on both mac and pc to download the hacks but theres no links anywhere!

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  • Shot on Moon T7

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