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Driftwood Cluster X series 3:│moon T7│ЅріzZ T6│Nebula T7│Drewnet T9│
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  • @cjdincer Also on a Mac. I've used ClipWrap with success. I know its gone through a few updates over the last couple of months addressing even better compatibility with Final Cut X and Premiere Pro. ****BUT**** I also edit in Premiere Pro CS6 exclusively now and it imports the Private file with the MTS files with no problem, no conversion or rewrapping needed!

    Hope this helps

  • @gmoneystudio2010 I don't think that it is the case. cause frame rate and audio sample rate are different things.

  • @jim_simon , @kidgray thank you for your input guys; I see the same shimmering too if the setd is like you mentioned I am installing setd then. what do you guys use to convert setd footage. I am on mac. is 5D2RGB okey? I also have Aunsoft video converter and clipwrap.

  • can any one find out if the 24p moon hack changes the audio sample rate because that's the only thing can cause audio speed changes

  • @Jim_simon I did the same observation, it feels more natural an fluid. I like the idea having the same frame rate as real celluloid film. =)

  • I noticed that real film material always looked better across pans and tilts than my own 23.976 footage. There was sort of a 'shimmer' in high-frequency details with 23.976 originated material that wasn't there with real film.

    That shimmer seems to be absent from the 24 fps clips. I still see the normal judder that you'd expect from such a low frame rate, but the high frequency details seem more stable, more film-like at 24 fps exact.

  • I first installed setd, and goes very well (except sometimes I get an error if I try to playback and have to switch off and on)... The problem about 24,00p is: having to use a Gh3 and a panasonic P2 cam next to my hacked gh2 I realize I must use sete instead of setd. Infact they both record at 23.976, and I don't want to have sync problems (video, mostly). Other wise I would certainly use 24p with an external audio recorder (1 second of audio lasts 1 second...)

  • what is the benefit of shooting 24 frames, image and motion wise against 23.976? cause I don't care about any audio error issues. if it is better than I'm gonna switch to 24.

  • It's true the sync error is sufficient that it would need to be corrected, at least from the standpoint of mixing with the GH2's own audio. But what percentage of folks here use their GH2 for long-form shots with external audio? I'd wager the vast majority are using predominantly shorter takes where the error would never manifest, or are using the GH2's own audio. Even when I shoot a wedding, only the ceremony itself has such a long take, every other shot is too short for sync error to show.

    So for most people, it'll be fine.

    Two final thoughts. First, the Zoom also showed sync errors with my DV camera, but far greater than 1 frame over 45 minutes. And second, another audio device might show a different or even no sync error.

  • 15-30ms delay is very often used in music production to widen the stereo image, of eg: guitars, synths, backing vocals etc...., on the mixer you would usually pan the instrument left and on the right you would have the same signal but delayed by 10-30ms, but on more percussive sounds it could sound like a very short slap echo.

    I think we're getting off topic.....

  • @spacewig 17-30ms is almost in the territory of a slap delay!! It is most definitely NOT used as a technique to fatten up audio in the post world, try it and you will hear why:-)

  • @spacewig Um, no. One frame. And you must not be editing anything very long. And you must not be considering that these sorts of errors slip in and changes to timeline and movement of clips means you start to accumulate error.

    Whatever. I'd love to see the look on an audio professional's face who's had to chase down sub-frame sync error in a project hear you people. Odds are it doesn't matter here. It just sets a really bad precedent for other people who also might not know any better or have the sense to investigate common standards and practices. It's no skin off my teeth if they someday embarrass themselves in front of a client or professionals.

  • @BurnetRhoades You must be thinking of 1 second because 1 frame over 45 minutes is less than 42ms. You can barely detect a difference between two copies of the same file playing between 17 to 30ms apart which is why it's a common mixing technique to make a source sound fatter.

    @Jim_Simon Your findings are more than acceptable. Unless you're recording a 24hrs telethon don't sweat it. Thanks for the info.

  • LOLWUT?

    A frame is a lifetime in audio terms. A half a frame is likewise terribly distracting and detectable by complete laymen if you're talking dialog.

    Whatever. Go with God.

  • I tested for audio drift at 24 fps. When the Zoom audio was synced up at the start of the clip, it was less than one frame off after 45 minutes.

    I find that quite acceptable.

  • never mind found it but read something bout audio drift is this real ?

  • thanks zsound but how can i set it to 24p from 23.976p or where page can i download that version

  • @driftwood Superb Patch ever made Moon T7. i think there wont be any further improvements. Gh2 finally reached its Limits. Most promising results with clipwrap & FCP. 24p D setting works with ClipWrap 24frames conversion. Everything works well. 720p Modes looks great. Panny lenses finally looking soft and filmy. the only card it works it seems the sandisk 95mb/s 64gb extreme pro. i had error with other low profile cards. sandisk works likes a charm. thank u so much! Bravo! Bravo!

  • @kellar42, thanks, that´s what I was thinking, really sharp stuff. I like it! Good job!

  • DREWnet T9 Love it. :-)

  • DREWnet T9 setting -2 -2 -2 -2

    vimeo.com/74103057

    DREWnet T9 1.4〜2.2 ISO160, Shutter 1/120 It's already graded.

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  • I shot this on both Moon T7 and Drewnet T9. The studio footage is T7 and the venue footage is T9.

  • @fran thank you. Mostly Lumix 14-140 and a Rokinon 24. Slight saturation and contrast bump but otherwise left pretty well alone. Forgot to mention that the quadcopter shots are from an LX7.

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