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Official Panasonic G5 topic
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  • driftwooddriftwood

    Does HDMI Out work? Only in Playback mode. The G5 is UNABLE to record thru the hdmi out port showing no picture or no input in Live View or Record mode. Tested and confirmed on a Atamos Ninja and Viera TV.

  • stoneystoney

    @driftwood Does it support true multi aspects like Gh2?

  • driftwooddriftwood

    Here's the critical G5 stuff, Streamparser, Streameye etc... PAL info.

    Notes

    • The rogue P frame is still in the AVCHD mix.

    • The mp4 mode is similar to the GX1, etc... and that it is as before, Baseline 66, level 4.0 profile.

    • Note that 1080p50 overall i/p/b frames are half the size of the GH2 and look at the GOP. 24 for PAL 1080p50. The max I could get it to is around 480,000.

    • 720p50 AVC is profile High, Level 4.0.

    1080p50 under streameye proves its;-

    resolution : 1920x1080 AVC

    profile:level : High:4.2

    aspect ratio : 16x9(1:1)

    chroma format : 4:2:0

    interlaced: no

    IQ /Q = 20

    True HDMI Out at 1080p? Find out tomoz.

    G5 Price - Local Panasonic dealer price in the UK at £699.95 and available /in stock now.

    G5 under streamparser 1080p50.png
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    G5 under STREAMPARSER 1080p50 note the rogue p frame is still on the G5.png
    1720 x 832 - 113K
    G5 under STREAMEYE 1080p25 MP4 MODE BASELINE 66 LEVEL 4.0.png
    1422 x 1255 - 745K
    G5 under Elecard buffer analysis 1080p50.png
    722 x 983 - 66K
    G5 under Elecard Stream analysis 1080p50 matrix.png
    1309 x 1039 - 106K
  • amateuramateur

    lumix GX1 : http://img1.focus-numerique.com/focus/articles/1328/panasonic-gx1-160iso-nrstan-big.jpg

    G5 beat it in noise for sure but for moire look close to GH2 and G5 i'm confuse :/

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Reviews:

    http://www.trustedreviews.com/panasonic-lumix-dmc-g5_Digital-Camera_review

  • amateuramateur

    or maybe same moire o_O ? they maybe called gh2.5 because it has same based sensor ?

    look with tabs you wills judge

  • amateuramateur

    @feha

    iso 160 (more acceptable for moire comparaison) :

    G5: http://img1.focus-numerique.com/focus/articles/1508/panasonic-g5-160iso-nrstan-big.jpg

    GH2: http://img1.focus-numerique.com/focus/articles/1174/panasonic-gh2-160iso-nrstan-big.jpg

    zoom the the top left exactly and look at the circle

  • fehafeha

    @amateur , the G5 have moire but not GH2 :-) check color cards ...

  • amateuramateur

    iso 3200 comparaison :

    G5: http://img1.focus-numerique.com/focus/articles/1508/panasonic-g5-3200iso-nrstan-big.jpg

    GH2: http://img1.focus-numerique.com/focus/articles/1174/panasonic-gh2-3200iso-nrstan-big.jpg

    imagine… g5 is called the GH2.5

  • danyyyeldanyyyel

    What about the high dynamic mode, any example to see if we can have a high dynamic range video mode that would be fantastic for a gh3.

  • mpgxsvcdmpgxsvcd

    I wish the GH2 had this feature that the G5 has.

    Detects orientation of camera (Direction Detection Function)

  • mpgxsvcdmpgxsvcd

    It looks like the G5 records 1080p @ 60 FPS, true interlaced 1080i/60, 1080p/30 PSF, and true 720p @ 60 FPS.

    I am just going to throw this out there.

    "If you don't need 24p then the G5 is equivalent to a stock GH2 without manual controls and the multi-aspect sensor". It has the ETC modes and still image during video capabilities."

    Basically, if you are interested in using m4/3s video just like a camcorder then the G5 will be a dream come true for you.

    The video from the G5 is outstanding for stock bit rates. This camera is not a replacement for a GH2 because it does not do 24p and Manual controls during video. However, for people that don't use those things this is truly an excellent hybrid camera.

    That being said I can't wait to see what the GH3 brings. It will have to have everything the G5 has and then some. I just wish I knew what the "And then some" is?

  • mpgxsvcdmpgxsvcd

    Here are some answers on AE lock.

    Page 105

    • AE Lock and AF Lock must be activated before motion picture recording begins. • During motion picture recording only cancellation of AF Lock can be performed.

  • mpgxsvcdmpgxsvcd

    The G5 manual is out.

    http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Support/Downloads/220239/index.html#anker_222458

    Type in DMCG5 and search. Download the 8.2 megabyte manual and not the quick manual.

    Here is the definitive answer on whether the G5 does manual movie control.

    It does not do manual movie control. PERIOD.

    The part where the manual says the G5 records "Normal motion picture" for the PASM modes means that it reverts to Full Auto mode with Auto or Intelligent ISO during movies.

    This is found on page 54 of the 8.2 megabyte manual.

    Motion pictures cannot be recorded in the following cases.

    – [Glistening Water][Glittering Illuminations][Soft Image of a Flower] (Scene Guide Mode) – [Soft Focus][Star Filter] (Creative Control Mode)

    • It will be recorded in the following categories for certain Recording Modes. A motion picture

    recording matching each Recording Mode will be performed for the ones not listed below. Selected Recording Mode Recording Mode while recording motion picture

    • Programme AE Mode • Aperture-Priority AE Mode • Shutter-Priority AE Mode • Manual Exposure Mode Normal motion picture

    • [Clear in Backlight] (Scene Guide Mode) Portrait Mode • [Clear Nightscape][Artistic Nightscape][Clear Night Portrait] (Scene Guide Mode) Low Light Mode

  • mpgxsvcdmpgxsvcd

    The G5 video looks pretty good for stock. Now even I can see that this 60p could benefit from a little extra bit rate. However, it isn't as bad as everyone thought it would be. It doesn't go into fallback mode in this clip and there is substantial motion.

    Not being able to control shutter speed for movies is a deal breaker though. Bring on the GH3.

    So what do you guys think? Will the GH3 have exactly the same 1080p @ 60 FPS quality as the G5 or are you expecting it to be different? I think it will look exactly like this which I actually am ok with as a starting point.

  • mpgxsvcdmpgxsvcd

    Here is a link to a sample G5 video file straight out of the camera.

    http://img.photographyblog.com/reviews/panasonic_lumix_g5/sample_images/panasonic_lumix_g5_01.mts

  • mpgxsvcdmpgxsvcd

    This review says that the Bulb time limit is actually 4 minutes. However, the Panasonic spec page says 2 minutes.

    Night

    The Panasonic Lumix G5 maximum shutter speed is 60 seconds and there's also a Bulb option for exposures up to 4 minutes long, which is excellent news if you're seriously interested in night photography.

    http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/panasonic_lumix_g5_review/image_quality/

  • mpgxsvcdmpgxsvcd

    A couple of cool new features I found while reading about the G5. This bodes very well for the GH3.

    1. High Dynamic and Cross Process video modes. The High dynamic mode definitely has much more dynamic range in the video at the link below. How much more noise will it have?

    http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/systemcamera/gms/g5/video.html

    1. HDR Image mode can use several images to achieve a much broader dynamic range without increasing noise.

    http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/systemcamera/gms/g5/image_quality.html

    1. Level Guage – “The Level Gauge lets the camera detect the horizontal / vertical angle of view with its internal level working with the acceleration sensor. Photos shot in a portrait aspect will be automatically displayed vertically whatever lens is used.” This should have been in the G1!

    http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/systemcamera/gms/g5/control.html

    1. Star Filter and One Point Color modes – Could be great for astro Photography

    http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/systemcamera/gms/g5/creativity.html

    1. You can now select 1080p as an output option for the HDMI output.

    “The HDMI output function requires the optional RP-CDHM15/CDHM30 HDMI mini cable. The output resolution of the DMC-G5 can be selected as 1,080p, 1,080i or 480p. Please confirm that the TV you are connecting to has an HDMI input terminal compatible with the selected signal. Depending on the cable used, some functions may not be possible. Panasonic HDMI cables are highly recommended.”

    http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/systemcamera/gms/g5/creativity.html

    1. New two Axis white balance adjustment.

    “The DMC-G5's 2-axis adjustment feature gives you a finer white balance adjustment, even when adjusting the Color Temperature Setting or White Set function*. The white balance bracket function shoots 3 consecutive photos with slight changes to the white balance setting of each photo in both the horizontal (amber to blue) and vertical (green to magenta) axes.”

    http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/systemcamera/gms/g5/creativity.html

    1. Bulb mode is limited to 2 minutes. The G2 was limited to 4 minutes and 16 seconds.

    http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/systemcamera/gms/g5/specifications.html

  • MordaeMordae

    @Vitaliy

    Nice review! I'm intrigued by the Creative Controls, especially by the "High Dynamic" and the "Retro". Can't see if they're available for video though :S

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    More detailed review:

    http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/panasonic_lumix_g5_review/

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Personally I think this feature is a gimmick. I would just use the LCD for viewing and focusing instead of trying to look through the viewfinder and fumble around with the extended LCD.

    I understand that it is, question was about G3.

    As for gimmick. I clearly remember this suggestion during our discussions about G2, G3 or GH2.

  • mpgxsvcdmpgxsvcd

    @Vitaliy_Kiselev

    I believe that the new touch feature is meant for users to look through the viewfinder but swing the lcd out to control focusing. Now this means that you are not actually looking directly at the screen you are touching. However, it means that your nose will not be touching the screen either.

    Personally I think this feature is a gimmick. I would just use the LCD for viewing and focusing instead of trying to look through the viewfinder and fumble around with the extended LCD.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    This is the G5’s most important feature I miss from G3

    Why this is most important?

    As for making it, most probably it'll be never done.

  • kesztiokesztio

    Hi, Vitalij,

    Is it possible to include in your upcoming G3 hack the new “touchpad” functionality from G5? This is the G5’s most important feature I miss from G3, but obviously it would be a great waste if I upgraded from G3 to G5 just for this reason.

    Please, I’d greatly appreciate if you could do it...

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    My point is that regardless of how these modes are implemented in software, in practice they behave effectively as two separate encoders: 24p versus HBR/FSH/SH. The bottom line is that the 24p encoder modes can be hacked to operate at significantly higher bitrates and quality than the HBR/FSH/SH encoder modes. And if the new 1080p60 modes are build on extensions of the HBR/FSH/SH encoder, I expect it will share the limitations of that encoder.

    I already said that you can repeat this mantra about two encoder as song as you like. It is just not true. Limitations are due to framerates (less time until next frame) and encoder settings (like interlacing approach used for 1080p modes).

    Otherwise we can speculate as long as we want. Camera is using different LSI, and performance will be different.

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