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  • Now about certain future meaningless stuff

    Many fans expected that this would happen, and today, it has. Lucasfilm has announced that the future of Star Wars canon will not be dictated by the Expanded Universe of the past thirty-six years. As of today, the official, canonical story of Star Wars consists of "the six Star Wars episodes, and the many hours of content [George Lucas] developed and produced in Star Wars: The Clone Wars." (This includes the upcoming Darth Maul comic adapted from TCW material.)

    This means that, while elements from the EU will be maintained -- including the Imperial Security Bureau and Sienar Fleet Systems in Star Wars Rebels -- Disney is taking the franchise in a direction that requires more artistic flexibility.

    In order to give maximum creative freedom to the filmmakers and also preserve an element of surprise and discovery for the audience, Star Wars Episodes VII-IX will not tell the same story told in the post-Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe

    What can I say? Idiots and money always can make shit from anything.

    If you want to read about "artistic flexibility" of Disney just read things two posts above.

    http://www.theforce.net/v3-story/frontMoving_Beyond_Existing_EU_Lucasfilm_Announces_New_Direction_For_Star_Wars_Canon_157581.asp

  • Wow to this thread.

    A few personal opinions I want to share, though nobody will care about: Snow-piercer was a good concept in some ways, had some pretty reasonable acting... and it started off strong. I watched. I was engaged. But somewhere along the way (around the time the piano playing teacher whips out a skorpian) it just fell flat on its arse. I watched to the end, because I felt compelled to. When Ed Harris shows up (someone I consider to be a high caliber actor, when he sinks his teeth into the right role) and gave this shameful performance... I lost all fascination with the film. If you have to watch it... watch it as an example of how to start off a great idea, and how to kill it within 20 minutes. How to make half a decent film, and half a shitty cliche ridden pile of awful.

    Saving Mr. Banks was a good film, I enjoyed it (even teared up in some parts)... but I was well aware (even not knowing the film's characters backgrounds) that they embellished on those characters a bit. Disney was not that passionate about story, I can garan-damn-tee it. He saw the dollarsigns in Mary Poppin's eyes the moment he read the book... and chased it down. That being said, Mary Poppins was a great film... even without her creator's involvement in the final film... but it made everybody rich... which was it's intention.

    Anything Soderbergh makes (there are exceptions)... these are movies I cannot get into. I've read reviews and threads galore telling me how awesome "The Limey" was... and in my second and third viewings (I have a lot of time to waste apparently) I still fail to see it's "awesomeness". The editing must have been done either by Soderbergh himself while he was jerking off... or it was given to a 10 year old. Intercutting completely useless footage that has nothing to do with the scene/story being told... it threw me right out of the movie. Moving on to some of his good films though: The Ocean's trilogy... which was a fun ride. I'll be honest... I cared none about any of the characters involved, I just wanted to see how they fooled the next guy. It was great. Che PT1 and PT2 are very very good films, a fine mix of story and cinematography. Soderbergh attempts to throw his choppy-editing hat in the ring here but it manages not to screw with the viewing. It's a very good insight into Che, and they cast the actor playing him very well. There isn't much else I've watched from Soderbergh that I quite enjoyed as much as these films.

    The whole discussion here about films needing heroes is bullshit. In the modern day, people are tired of seeing heroes. We get bored of it. There are some movies that throw us a hero or two, but for the most part we cop an anti-hero.

    And Vitaly, throw this film on your list:

    Standard Nick Cage fare, complete with over the top screaming and acting. A score that makes you laugh at times, and some cliche-riddled dialog. But, it's one of those films with a character that deserves to die...

  • Her

    Just pass this up, save your time.

  • Dom Hemingway

  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev - Thanks for the last post on MP. Especially the link to the (sick) New Yorker article.

    Wow! Author, Caitlin Flanagan really laid it out for us and perhaps the producers of the above pic.

  • Saving Mr. Banks

    This is special case, as movie is not very bad.

    But, as usual scenarists completely fucked reality making quite unusual character into strange bitch and making very cynic businessman into some cheesy stuff.

    Suggested read

    And very good quote:

    The real P.L. Travers had never been a fan of Walt Disney. In her review of Disney's first full-length animated feature film, 1937's Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, she wrote, "Oh, he's clever, this Disney! ... The very pith of his secret is the enlargement of the animal world and a corresponding deflation of all human values. There is a profound cynicism at the root of his, as of all, sentimentality."

  • Good songs related to subject :-) same name, but different

  • "without proper people to see after them"

    Yeah. @Vitaliy_Kiselev - I love all the camera gazing and the new sony, panasonic, and the 4k stuff. It's all really fun. But I REALLY love this thread, and what Vitaliy is saying because it's a comment on responsibility - ours as filmmakers and even wannabe ones.

    As the world becomes less and less gentle, we, who put our creative efforts into something could read between the lines in this discussion and experience some "choice therapy".

    I say to myself: The process of making the film or video is so hard, why not look deep inside and see what it is that i want to be doing EVERY DAY?! What am I conveying? But really, do you want to get up at six am and film 20+ tales of a man being kicked in the dink, or a girl slapped silly by a "protagonist". It's a puzzle.

    I'm a long-toothed dop and I can say that I'd love to see things change a little bit towards the good, so I can tell people what my job was for the majority of my life.

    Again, this discussion is very valid. Another on video games would be great but it's just triggers me too badly.

    Thanks for all of the posts here!

  • Have you ever seen this crap?

  • Next in company

    Films slightly more than totally consist of all WWII related stupid stamps that ever existed:

    1. Hitler is one stupid fool knowing nothing and living in the dream world
    2. Generals are all good, wise, think about democracy and good for Germany
    3. They so love democracy that they want (very much!) to surrender to US/UK even before they make invasion.
      • I hope we'll be UK colony like Canada ... - direct Rommel words
    4. It is absolutely clear that all is lost (they are wise, remember), so any treason is ok and good
    5. Every few minutes they talk about how much they care for jews (jews seem to be main victims in this war as far as this film go).

    In other words, it is politically correct (in current terms) bullshit.

  • Next to company

    It's Hunger Games, for adults, on a train

    Fuckingly weird film made after heavy crack usage of everyone in film related crew.

  • Some new addition to company

  • I have small theory how crap is being born:

    I think that directors, script authors and actors without proper people to see after them just directly transfer their life, skills, ideals, knowledge. And it is rarely anything that deserve public attention (of course TV and tabloids think otherwise, but their place is in hell).

  • Another crapshit two entries

    do not waste your time on this shit despite inflated ratings (HW is very good at it now), better watch

  • I think when a culture has lost it's way...has become a human valueless society, where only "profit" matters, as we surely see in todays world, then this is mirrored in art as just another symptom. It's been my opinion for a number of years that what we're seeing....what everyone feels happening, on all fronts, is a collapse of western civilization. It's hard to prove this from the inside. But I think this is what it looks like.

    ...and FDR....Crimea is so transparent. It's only when you listen to msm in the US that it's confusing. We've got our puppet US politicians criticizing the validity of a free election when the same thing was done in Iraq under war occupation ...and that was valid, or so they told us ! The difference was the car bombs in Baghdad ! I guess that made it more legal in Iraq....and the million dead ?

  • @TheNewDeal along those lines sits the success of Breaking Bad. Already considered one of TV's greatest ever shows. The good versus evil thing can get sticky and confused when you watch a show like that.

  • Are you sure they weren't written to be distasteful? Maybe, many around us can be seen as distasteful some or most of the time. Is that ok? Or should we be rewriting other people around us to fit our standards?

    To me, cinema is mostly a survey of possible lives. I think that's why it's such a draw for so many. Historically is was often good vs evil. Clear lines. I love that it's grown into so much more today. Who is "good" and how, and how often, and how often are they "bad" too? It's funny how much time societies spend trying to understand and categorize people into "good" and "bad" words that exist only in our mind's interpretation. Cinema is great at opening the door to different interpretations of "heros" and "villains." So much like life today. For example, in Crimea today. Who are the heros and who are the villains? And how? Are any 100% good or bad?

    If people want simple, watch reality TV. There you get clear cut human disaster stories, and clear endings with victors, if you want it feed to you.

  • I guess films should only have characters you like?

    Obviously not, but what I found distasteful about Nebraska was ...these characters weren't written to be distasteful, and I'm speaking of the core family around Dern. They were written to be "heroic" ....as standing for some lost value system etc. , when, in effect, they were just as distasteful as the supporting cast, or more so. To me, that's a failure, in not only the concept, but ethics in general.

  • While I disagree with a lot of the griping here, I'll venture that American Hustle and Wolf of Wallstreet, both of which I enjoyed from a filmmaking perspective, left me feeling a bit empty afterwards. I'll go with the form over function statement from Vitaliy. Cool performances, interesting films, but nothing to really pin yourself to...just shitty people's live blowing up across the screen. Dallas Buyer's Club and Captain Phillips were real winners for me, this season.

  • Gravity was great at the iMax. It provoked a visceral reaction in me - the movement, weightlessness, inertia, acceleration and flying debris. I don't care if it didn't conform to correct physics. I have no interest watching it again though. I hated the Matrix sequels for their effects much more as they felt like watching a video game. Gravity had heft

    The last film to suck me into the world it built so completely was Twin Peaks - Fire Walk With Me. Mind blown for weeks after.

    And the film before that was Dumbo - the first film I ever saw.

    Either I'm just weird or the ways films affect the viewer are mysterious. Maybe a little of both ;)

  • It is time to add more to the list

    Same fucking crap. Form over function.

  • A person with your background in science might be more troubled by such shortcomings than the average movie viewer.

    :-) I think about 3-4 classes of school are pretty enough to be shocked.

  • Yes, I really want to see it. I'm wondering if you also had major issues with some of the physics and science. A person with your background in science might be more troubled by such shortcomings than the average movie viewer.

  • btw, I haven't seen the movie. I might hate it. But I believe they scored a winning a formula with the concept.

    OK, in this case you need to see it. If they scored something it is mix of idiocy and inaccuracy.

    I have some problem if abstract concept is good, but all things are inaccurate and wrong and main hero is unstable emotional idiot.

  • @Vitaliy No, I think it's really good. It's so simple and terrifying: Adrift in Space. 3 words and you get it. The trailer conveys the concept in 20 seconds. This is story telling GOLD in my mind. Once they had the concept all they needed were the compelling vfx and camera work which they got. btw, I haven't seen the movie. I might hate it. But I believe they scored a winning a formula with the concept.