Personal View site logo
Make sure to join PV on Telegram or Facebook! Perfect to keep up with community on your smartphone.
Please, support PV!
It allows to keep PV going, with more focus towards AI, but keeping be one of the few truly independent places.
AVCHD: Stable settings
  • Topic devoted to stable settings.

    Stable is anything that do not result in card speed errors or freezzing.
  • 288 Replies sorted by
  • @Butt

    "here are two stable lowGOP settings:
    No. 1 setd = 60MBit GOP3 incam-play transfer works, including 100MBit MJPEG Lpowell "no" incam-play transfer works"

    I hve uploaded a test using those settings. Many tanks for posted. I left the link if any one want to see, there are some personal looks to join too. Tanks again Butt!

  • DAIHARD---

    cbrandin 44m spans on trancend class 10
  • Funny how dead the "stable" stable settings are. Guess people just wanna shoot "Red" style these days.

    Anyone have good luck with highest bit rate/spanning - cheap Transcend 10 cards? :P
    I've got a few 32s and a couple 16s, all transcend 10 cards. Im shooting weddings mostly, and have been using "SpanMyBitchUp".
    I tested it out, 80% of the time it'll span. Just curious as to what others are using and recommend.
    FYI - I shoot 90% 24p, and 10% 720/60p...
  • Canon EF50mm (apart from the driving and moon bits) and 66Mb/s hack, Now having passed that stage time to move on to Driftwood patches... (?)
  • This short film was take only with GH2 and 14-140 lens + 66Mb/s. hack, like a Red or??
  • Thank you very much,
    I found the correct thread and detailed information... after I posted. But yes, in controlled circumstance with the unpredictability of the setting, Ill opt for more control over camera's "AI".
    http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/1110/idynamic-range-possible-to-hack
  • It will 'dynamicly' change the curve that applied before compression, resulting in lifted shadows, thus a little more details there preserved. BUT only god knows when and why it enabling itself and when not (roughly when 2/3 of frame is underexposed..) so if you are for reproduceable shots in pro environment keep it off, and adjust light instead. When running around, taking nice pics keep it on.
  • Little outta the loop, I was using a modified @kae patch from about 2months ago (66mb patch with great success), but I decided to play around with the some of the newer patches (I think im using @Stray most recent). Anyhow, my question is regarding the iDynamic setting.
    I read in some of the posts, that its good to have it on.
    I know it produces more noise when shooting dark subjects... but has this "rule" changed with the new high bit rate patches? Or am i mixing this up with the MPEG patches?
  • @proaudio4
    I think 24P is great if you want to film a movie or documentary, but for example if you wanted to record sporting events, dancing or other high-motion types of scenes then the 1080i and 720p modes are worth tuning as well. The GH2 was well-rounded out of the box and I wouldn't want to make mine into a one-trick pony. Isn't it nice to be able to shoot high quality stills, then simply turn the dial and capture stunning video footage? :) That's what I love about this camera...the flexibility you get out of one device without compromising quality.

    I have been running stable 1080i/720p using 32 Mbps (double of factory settings), no changes to GOP and AQ set to 4 and the video buffer doubled. Basically I just doubled the stock values for all of the modes and cranked up AQ. It seems to work well enough in that I haven't been able to reproduce the crashes I posted about earlier. I am of course using a Class 10 card this time around. These settings will not work with my Class 4.

    Many people here say 1080i has issues but the video I've shot with 1080i looks fine. I don't like interlaced formats but I'd rather have a higher effective resolution since the video can be deinterlaced manually after recording.
  • So whatever happened to 40 frames per second for more then 1 second?
    Is this even possible?
  • Well, if Vitaliy is working on it, that's great! I wanted to make sure it got to his attention. I'm betting he'll be able to figure it out.

    For now I'll sit tight an stay conservative (at least with my GH2 hack settings that is). It's a pain it takes so long to test this spanning stuff :)
  • There is a known problem with spanning that it appears current settings can't be used to fix. Vitaliy is aware of this and is working on it. I think we won't see a real solution until the next iteration of PTool.

    Chris
  • So, the bitrates for which I can get spanning to work reliably in a worst case scenario are very low. It's disheartening. My test is a tree blowing in the wind filling the whole frame - with sharp focus and high noise (f22, 1/640 sec shutter, ISO 3200, slightly overexposed according to the GH2's meter).

    If you use the GH2 in an environment where it is absolutely essential for spanning to work each and every time, but want to get a small increase in quality over the stock video settings, so far I recommend these settings for ptool 3.62. 24H and SH (720p60) span properly in all my tests with these settings on a mediocre class 10 SD card (Patriot LX 32GB).

    And just because it spans across two files is not enough - often for me it will span to a 2nd file, but the 3rd will fail. And that is not just an example - 90% of the time spanning fails (at least in 720p60 mode) it is on the 3rd file created. Don't ask me why that happens. So if anyone else wants to test this be forewarned that spanning once does not mean it will necessarily span next time it comes to a file boundary. So span tests need to be loooong. It really really helps to have an AC adapter for these type of tests - I can keep the camera running all day. Just remember to swap in the battery when updating firmware!

    On 720p60 what will happen with settings between 20 and 32 mbits is that it will span to the next file fine, but the problem that @WeBcYtE described above (and I've described earlier) will happen to me and it will create a very small file - usually 6 - 12 MB (this is usually the 3rd file) and then stop with the "Motion recording stopped due to slow card" or whatever the hell it says error. This clip will remain playable in camera because the file exists - it just stops recording. This is different from 24H/24L, which when spanning fails, fails to create the next file at all and the file is missing from the number sequence and the clip is unplayable in camera.

    I would love to test and see if higher settings work on better SD cards, but i don't have one right now. If anyone has leads as to what I might try to change to help spanning, let me know and I'll test. I played around a little with reducing the upper bitrates in tester patches to a lower value than they would normally be for what I had the main bitrate set to, but so far it did not help.
    arvidtp - safe spanning settings 2011-09-04 - setj.zip
    337B
  • so is GOP12 recommended for 720p?
  • I agree skyak.
    My PNY class 10 cards could not wite fast enough and failed all the time.
    My Sandisk Extreme Class 10 30MB/s card works great.
    Although, be careful with these cards since there are "fake" Sandisk cards sold all over then net.
  • @WeBcYtE
    I'm not sure what's going on with your setup, but I've not seen the issues you are describing.
    There may be an issue with your class 10 card. I have the same card with no issues.

    Also, of course most of the attention is for 1080 24P. LOL
    I'm sure 80% of us or more would not of bought this camera if it did not offer 1080 24P.
    We want the best possible with this setting.
    Once we dial in 1080 24P, there will be more focus for 720P. Of course we want high quality on all the modes.
    But, if I had only one option for best quality, 1080 24P wins for me.
  • Are folks lowering the GOP for 720p, or is it just being left at 30?

    btw...I ws having previously having write problems at 42Mbps and the issues were cured with new memory card.
  • Right now I am trying to push the limits of my GH2 to get the best video quality possible while maintaining stability. I am not really interested in miniscule quality gains, but at the same time I do not want to sacrifice a lot of "potential" quality due to settings that may be too conservative.

    That being said, I have observed the AQ adjustment to play a role in the stability of the recording. With AQ left unchecked, I am able to record the test pattern without crashing using my Sandisk Extreme Class 10 SDHC card (about 25 MB/s sustained write). I also have a Sandisk Ultra Class 4 SDXC which has 5 MB/s sustained writes, and that will work reliable with settings below 40 Mbps (makes sense because 5 MB/s is exactly 40 Mbps, but there is overhead).

    I see that a lot of the people here focus on 24P mode but I don't think that is wise. We should be testing ALL video modes for AVCHD including the 1080i and 720p, which are just as relevant for personal and professional shooting. Film-like footage is not ideal or appropriate for every situation.

    What I have noticed when attempting to record with 1080i/720p at higher bitrates is that the initial start seems to cause a large spike of data if the camera's lens is pointed at a high detail subject, such as a test pattern. Relatively modest 24 Mbps settings (stock GOP, AQ3) would consistently fail if I started recording while the camera was zoomed in on the test pattern...BUT if I started recording on something like my TV screen, and panned over to the test pattern, I would be able to record indefinitely without failure. This would happen with both my Class 4 and Class 10 SD cards.

    With AQ unchecked I did not observe this problem to persist, and I was even able to get the bitrates for 1080i/720p up higher using settings posted by Kae (42 Mbps for FSH/SH, GOP12, AQ unchecked). These settings also involve doubling the video buffer sizes for all modes and doubling the "high" and "low" bitrate values.

    I would like to end up with settings that provide stability with AQ set to 3 or 4 for all of the AVC recording modes and these seem to be on the right track.
  • just wanted to let people know that the settings i posted above (http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/comment/13847#Comment_13847) for 3.61 that I claimed spanned fine, turn out not to, at least with my SD card. I lost half a video of a performance :( - it spanned fine to a 2nd file, but failed going into the 3rd file and stopped recording. And that was 24H 80% at only 32mbit/sec…

    Back to the drawing board. I'd love to see some more results from people with better SD cards relating to spanning (tested while filming something that pushes the codec to its limits - ie high ISO or blowing trees, etc).

    Edit: Just did a test with 3.62 at 30mbit 24H 80%, AQ of 2 that successfully spanned across 6 files and was pushed to full bitrate the whole time by the tree out my window. Shot with single automatic focus, f22, 1/640 sec and ISO 3200 for lots of sharpness/noise. And it worked. Yay!

    So here is my assessment: I'm thinking it's not that anything specific has changed in 3.62 from 3.61 that directly affects spanning, just that 3.62 better utilizes the full bitrate specified, and therefore more often is above the limit where the GH2 will reliably span across files.
  • >Time Value 1 and Time Value 2 mean

    They had been called overall bitrate in previous versions :-)
    But they are time constants really.
  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev / @cbrandin I know you guys are extremely busy but can you confirm any further details to what the two settings Time Value 1 and Time Value 2 mean?, I'm particularly thinking about how they affect the timing of the initial_cpb_removal_delay_offset / timing errors whilst analysing buffer trends.
  • @shield

    I have only been playing with 24p. I have had spanning and Photofun recognition at 34mb and 35 mb with GOP 6 outside on pretty static yard and tree scenes with some camera panning. I need to test in other environments just haven't had the time lately.

    I will report back on more test when I get a chance.
  • @parkgt - So currently the highest bitrate is 34 megabit with 3.62 in which spanning still works? Is that for all framerates?
    Thanks,
    Shawn
  • cbrandin: great work with your last 66 mbits stable settings (29 august) . Do you think that to avoid span issue can I use a xdhc card? Thanks a lot and sorry for my bad english.
  • For good stable settings for 66 and 44 you could look at Cris Brandins settings from august 28:
    http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/comment/13692#Comment_13692
    and modified seti from august 29 the day after here:
    http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/comment/13792#Comment_13792

    I find them very good.