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RED EPIC DRAGON [finally a reality]
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  • Ralph_BRalph_B

    @shian

    Care to share any tips on how to get good skin tones with Red?

  • shianshian

    my thoughts on this are: the closer they get to 8K on a Super 35mm sized sensor the closer the look will be to film due to line skipping. I'm not a sensor expert, but it seems to me that once there are 2 lines of pixels for every line of resolution at 4K the better the image will look in terms of color depth, and clarity.

    BUT they still need to crack the nut of creating a "film emulsion" look to go with that. And right now, short of transferring to film I've not really seen it done to perfection. Who knows what this new "pixel technology" Jannard is referring to really is or what it does?

    And then of course there's the skin tone issue... And I really don't know what the solution is there. I've only had a problem with RED footage giving me skin tones I couldn't easily adjust in post once. BUT I'm a pretty good colorist, so that issue never bothered me like it does other shooters with which the final grade is out of their control. Only once was I unable to be there for the grading session, and I hated the results, I swore to never ever let that happen again, so I put it in my contract now.

  • Jean71Jean71

    Want to share my experience with the Red stuff.

    I took a Red One mx out ot the $4k deal, it turns out 3500 euro, plus some used gear i'm putting together. What does this relate to this topic? I have gears enough good to work with Gh2 and Red, i'm not tne biggest Red fan on earth, but i consider the look of the Red as a one stock of film, in the same way i falled in love for Quantum9b and i use it almost everyday.

    Next Red sensor at 6k will be, in my point if view, another "film stock", a different one, almost surely a better one. If i had $80000 to spend for a body, would i buy an Alexa? Yes. If i had such money, i would buy a weisscam, a phantom, the C500, the BMCC. Since i'm not in this budget line, i will not buy the new Dragon stuff, it will take real cash to be buyed, and more editing power. For now, anyway, i can shoot with the 4k raw with the One, and with GH2 Quantum9b, and believe me if i say for me there's not a favorite between these too, that's just options and tools: more we have, more we can do as we like. It turns out this, and here there's some love for you people at Personal-View: if i hadn't read this forum for months, and took a couple of deals and tons of advices, and made my tests on it, i would not be so confident to put other money on the line and buy a Red, even for $4k. A solid community is the best tool we can have, and i'm not being an ass licker here, that's the absolutely truth.

  • MarkVMarkV

    The sensor will be ready for shipping by NAB 2013.. That's the deadline... people would mock them at NAB...

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    It is very hart to say if it'll result in some product anytime soon.

    They already stated that you could not upgrade your camera.

    Most reasonable thing about improving DR is to add good active sensor cooling. Plus improve ADC.

  • shianshian

    Jannard said 16 stops easy.... I guess he wasn't kidding

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  • disneytoydisneytoy

    I want a true 18 megapixel RAW 16 bit Hasselblad size sensor camera. Then I can finally make my master piece. Oh and did I say I want it to shoot true 3D.

  • 010101010101

    Considering their credit record, this thing will be ready in three years from now in advanced beta version and it will cost three times the price. By the time of the release all other technologies quietly catchup and the RED Dragon will appear like some pink lizard. Now back to writing another awesome script, looking for the talent, spotting locations, solving audio capture issues, renting lighting and grip and most important ; hiring the food handlers. LOL

  • johnnymjohnnym

    It will look great. But not as good as an Alexa :)

    And for once i hope they'll get their shipping dates right.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Yep, far from cheap. Plus it is marketing for now.

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