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Need help with patches in PAL land
  • AlbiAlbi

    Hello, first I'd like to introduce myself and thank everyone who makes this place run, its amazing the amount of knowledge and resources here introduce myself. I'm Albi and have recently bought a GH2 and a bunch of lenses. I have been working as a camera assistant for other camera men who have budgets. I have been a long time waiting for a camera system that I could afford and that shoots nice images so I can begin shooting my own work and getting it out there. After having read and watched so much about these great patches I ditched my cannon stills gear and invested in the GH2.

    I'm looking for advice on which patches to use. I would like to be shooting 1080 25p Pal. I'm looking for a patch which is reliable for long takes, documentaries. A patch which is good for motion and doesn't give the strobing effect when panning or moving the camera around, I will be shooting on a shoulder mount a lot. I'd also like to be able to project the final production. Am I looking for too much out of this tiny camera?

    I also need advice on settings. Because I want PAL 1080 25p does this confine me to shooting in HBR mode only? I see a lot of work has been done in the cinema 24p setting but I need 25fps and therefore this is useless for me, advice appreciated.

    I have tried many of the patches and so far find Flow Motion V2 to be the most stable in my limited experience. Some of the other patches freeze the camera when I'm in HBR mode or don't span, I'm probably missing a setting.

    Finally this is what I'm using:

    GH2 Nokton 25mm Zeiss 28, 45, 50, 180mm Takumar 135mm 1x Scandisk 30mb/s 16gi 1x Scandisk 95mb/s 64gig 3X Transcend Class 10 16gb

    I'm really looking forward to hearing any advice, especially from people who shoot in PAL land. Thanks guys.

    Albi

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  • AlbiAlbi

    @droftwood @peaceonearth good point, thanks lads its worth trying.

  • peaceonearthpeaceonearth

    @driftwood If you did editing in 24p and converted to 25fps after, you probably you might wish to pitch down your sound a little. I guess nobody except the cutter will realize the difference. But if you listened several times to your audio during editing you will notice that it's higher and faster. I your footage has voice over, some music and athmo only you can convert your 24p to 25fps ProRes before editing.

  • driftwooddriftwood

    @peaceonearth A very good point about how we watch our TV from America...

  • peaceonearthpeaceonearth

    another thing that you can do if you want best quality: shoot in 24p and conform lossless to 25p later. Don't worry that your clips gets 4% faster, that's how we watch in PAL countries Hollywood movies in TV for decades.

    In the beginning with GH2 I was worried about that PAL thing too because 24p has evident better image quality. Try to think if your footage really ends up in TV? Mine does not. Even my commercial work is "only" played on big screens on fairs or is embedded in internet pages. Probably it will play smoother with 24p on a 60Hh computer monitor than with 25p. Up to now I heard no complaints about my work - quite the contrary I get compliments about it.

    If you know from the beginning that you are shooting for PAL TV and are worried about frame rate issue: buy a FS100 or at least go for a rental. A scenario to shoot 25fps with GH2 is if it's the B-cam on a 25fps shoot. In this case you are probably the B-guy ;-) and I would not care too much.

  • DeShonDixonDeShonDixon

    @Albi Just put the @ sign before someones name and they're mentioned

  • AlbiAlbi

    .... or maybe its as simple s typing it out the old fashioned way.

  • AlbiAlbi

    peaceonearth thank you so much. The mts files play perfectly in mplayerx! btw how do you select the person you reply to in a post. i.e: @peaceonearth ... ?

  • peaceonearthpeaceonearth

    @Albi

    Cluster is not playing back smoothly

    you mean .mts on your computer? If so try mPlayerX instead of VLC. Seems that VLC is overchallenged by high bit rates.

  • AlbiAlbi

    Thanks, will do that now.

  • DeShonDixonDeShonDixon

    @Albi Im pretty sure if you post that on here it'll get solved: http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/2791/driftwood-quantum-x-settings-series-4-cluster-v2-mysteron-sedna-orion...etc...#Item_983

  • AlbiAlbi

    Just did a spanning test with sedna Q20 B settings. Scandisk 95mb/s 64 gig. Doesnt span for me. Stops at 11min or so. Pity cause I really love the image quality and its stable in camera.

  • DeShonDixonDeShonDixon

    @Albi No problem! Need anymore questions answered just ask me! :D

  • AlbiAlbi

    Thanks guys. I went out earlier with cluster v2c and sedna. It was just shooting stuff around the town, mainly static, short takes. I'm viewing the footage now. Cluster is not playing back smoothly but I'm pretty sure it's my mac book pro which is a dual core and probably outdated for this kind of stuff.... al though it works fine for viewing RED footage in Redcine-x-pro!?

    Driftwood I see you have a new version of cluster out already so that'l be next in line for me. Thanks. The sedna stuff looks amazing.

    DeShonDixon thanks for the links with the files.

    Ralph_B I've heard great things about sanity and have tried 4.1, it looked great but didn't span so I didn't pursue it. I have 5.1 sitting on an sd card in the camera bag and didn't get time to try it today, I'm really looking forward to using it. Thanks.

    Another thing, I'm getting really fond of the EX Tele feature, its really good. I am getting some banding and grain even at 160 iso tho and its pretty much unusable after 320....

  • DeShonDixonDeShonDixon

    @Albi and @Kavadni Sorry its been changed again but this is best for PAL

    d3c835ad3d151dca5bbed81ee82538.zip
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  • Ralph_BRalph_B

    @Albi

    Sanity 4.1 and 5 are worth checking out.

    http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/2642/sanity-4-and-5/p1

  • DeShonDixonDeShonDixon

    @driftwood Alright thanks

  • driftwooddriftwood

    Beginners threads - there's loads about this if you search - plus you could transcode to a prores flavour first using clipwrap or 5dtorgb, etc.... I wouldnt start a new thread.

  • DeShonDixonDeShonDixon

    @driftwood If I asked a question about why am I having trouble importing my mts files into after effects would that be on the beginner thread or can I start my own topic on it?

  • JackBayerJackBayer

    Panning speeds: http://frontside.de/dls/pan.htm

  • DeShonDixonDeShonDixon

    @Albi and @Kavadni Yeah sorry driftwood changed it to Cluster v2d which is better than v2b

    bcdf7cc9ae854001fd03a5d2cd9290.zip
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  • driftwooddriftwood

    Cluster v2d please.

  • AlbiAlbi

    Thanks guys.

    DeShonDixon: I will test the cluster v2b today.

    Any advice for a time lapse patch for 1080p 25?

  • DeShonDixonDeShonDixon

    @kavadni Thumbs Up! ;D

  • kavadnikavadni

    @albi and @DeShonDixon ..

    +1 Cluster v2b, that is the one I was using and still use on my GF2s

  • kavadnikavadni

    @Albi,

    You are correct HBR is the only 25f progressive format.

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