GX1: Official topic

Mimirsan

@Stonebat im going by personal experience and preference on owning both a 5N and M43.
The GH2 is not a great photo camera..its not even a good photo camera...It might as well have one button (creative movie mode) as it is the only area it truly excels above others in its range...the rest is an afterthought.

I don't really care if there's a dedicated 5n forum or not...that does not make my decision on what camera I want to use...its performance does.
I wasn't a fan of the Nex 5...but the 5n and 7 are pretty much what ive been after.

The problem is there is too many incremental updates as you said and John has it right...they run the risk of losing its support by the lack of imagination and guts.
This is supposed to be a X line camera for enthusiasts...I myself is a big fan of M43 (the lens selection is bang on) this just looks like Gf2.0 to me. Good luck to them but I can spend my money better elsewhere.

stoney

@Mimirsan Panasonic does too many incremental updates. It's good and bad. It's good that I can buy m43 lenses cheap by keeping a lens and selling a body. That's how I got 14mm 2.5 at $140 and 14-45 at $100.

GH2 is all around camera. See http://tinyurl.com/3ecam8q Nice photos right? The guy is famous for taking nice JPEGs straight out of cameras from wide range of brands, and his favorite camera is GF1.

last_SHIFT

I'm more interested in that lens.

Mimirsan

Ive had it with Panny theyve lost their way.
I await the same old specs...Im surely betting the video mode will be the same as G3 (no manual controls interlaced 1080p) as theyve already stated they dont want to lose g3 sales.

My GH2 is a nice video camera...but after using the 5n Im wanting a decent all round CAMERA on m4/3

John_Farragut

Just a rebadged GF1, but with less aesthetics. It should have included viewfinder, Mic in, and full manual video as GH2 (hope it does). Panasonic is just in it for the money (though they won't get mine). Panasonic don't know what to do because they have to compete with dozens of their own models (GH2, GF2 (still available), G2 (still available), GF3, G3) and won't compete with their top of the line video business (AF100). Problem is, if you don't lead, you lose. Best is to cut the product line in two: consumer and pro. Make the consumer interchangeable everybody wants. And make the pro camera everybody wants. They will find out in the end what the penalty is for their lack of imagination.

stoney

Intelligent auto button :). Missing creative movie mode. Truly GF1 successor. But the style seems getting old. Seriously is this the best they can do?

Panasonic should fire the body design team, go back to the drawing board, and redesign GF/G/GH/GX bodies. Also the "X" mark on the lens cap looks ghetto.

Vitaliy_Kiselev

Via: http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=250&t=2419771&m=f&last=31613184

stoney

Most likely not GH2 sensor.

LPowell

@stonebat
Looks sharp and I see no "advanced scene modes" on the top selector dial. If it's a GF1 with a GH2 sensor I'm sold.

stoney

http://m.slrclub.com/v/panasonic_forum/84472/?page=1&divpage=16

GX1 revealed!!!! Detachable grip. Nothing like L1. It's basically renewed GF1.

Nah. I'm not getting it.

stoney

Lower the expectation.

amateur

FIRST RELEASE DATE : 8 NOVEMBER IN JAPAN

UPDATES OF RUMORS :
1- The LCD has 460k dots and not 900k
2- The GX1 has a metal body
3- Panasonic removed the motion-jpeg video format
4- The GX1 is a bit smaller than the Panasonic GF1.

source from : 43rumors.com

amateur

we are maybe to resolve the mystere the 28th or the 8 november.

_gl

.. as for opening up the software, I've been arguing that for a long time. Copy Apple: open up the SDK, create an app store, and allow us to download/purchase cheap camera apps. Let the manufacturers worry about the hard stuff (sensor technology, image processing. processors), let devs play with the rest + they can take a percentage of the app revenue.

The first manufacturer that does this will blow the others out of the water. It's not easy as it requires a massive investment in infrastructure and software development. Apparently Steve Jobs was against apps in the beginning because he couldn't see how Apple could implement the entire eco system, and then police the apps, all by themselves. But then again, people can now copy Apple's approach so it's no longer as hard.

_gl

I don't think we'll see any significant sensor advancements till the GH3 releases. Panny reserves the best sensor for the GH series - if they didn't, it would loose its edge as their flagship.

amateur

But all is question of buisness for making money... hope that's a GX2 or GH3 will be here this year and they will be more serious to put all they efforts on a new working sensor like maybe the leica m9 or probably in my dreams :D

But they will maybe be more late who know if they are making the sensor before the nex-7 released date a production can make companies late...

LPowell

In my view, the entire camera industry needs to progress to unified hardware lines, sold with basic consumer firmware, that can be upgraded with end-user licensed professional firmware. Follow Steve Jobs' lead with options in the color, size and styling of the case, but use the same electronics inside each unit. Camera technology has long since evolved to the point where the major functional and performance limitations are now artificially imposed by the manufacturers' market positioning strategies. In the long run, this approach is self-defeating.

stoney

I will be happy if Panasonic merges GH and GX. Just don't give us another ugly GH body and half cooked GX. We want GH features inside GX body with built-in evf, 1080p60, and built-in ND filter.

stoney

G3 is a cheap mirrorless body with built-in evf. GF3 is a cheap mirrorless body without evf. Panasonic wanna sell a lot of them.

GH2 and GX1 are for enthusiasts, but GX1 disappoints where Sony is going all-in for NEX-7. BTW I'm buying neither.

Mimirsan

True
best to see/try the finished article...but of late the G line up has been weak to say the least.

Vitaliy_Kiselev

@Mimirsan

Don't be disappointed by rumor :-)
All GF7 or GX1 rumors had been so different.

Mimirsan

Really I am wondering of Panasonic & Olympus are on a suicide mission with m4/3.
Lots of people have been asking for a true premium GF1 successor (although the original gf was aimed at female market) and ironically its sony who answer with the nex7...even with its high pricetag.

They dont want to lose sales on the G3....but the Gx1 news/rumour is making a lot of m4/3 users jump ship.
But as long as the outside of the camera is pretty and "looks" like a fuji x100 having the same inside its okay...its like panny only listened to half of its consumers.
This really dissapointed me as I was looking forward to the GFpro more than the gh3.

stoney

I'm getting used to $300 m43 body only :)

amateur

Yes same. after this it will be just about the price and a power O.I.S pancake ;) my personal hope

stoney

I was expecting these features:

new sensor
1080p60 avchd 2.0
built-in discrete ND filters
built-in evf & eyecup holder

But GX1 just seems a better GF1 with G3 sensor where G3 has slightly better image quality than GF3. I'm sure GX1 is gonna be a fun toy, but the differences in photo quality among Panasonic m43 bodies have been quite small. After playing with GF3, I can see why there are avid GF series fans. Although GH1 and GH2 have fantastic hacks, they look butt ugly compared to GF series. If GX1 has aesthetics, I'm sure many GF1 users will get it.

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