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  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    The Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) today announced completion of the Ultra HD Blu-ray™ specification and released the new logo that will delineate Ultra HD Blu-ray products. The Ultra HD Blu-ray specification, which represents the work of global leaders from the consumer electronics, IT and content creation industries, will enable delivery of Ultra HD content via Ultra HD Blu-ray Disc to the rapidly growing number of UHD TV households

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    The completed Ultra HD Blu-ray specification addresses a range of factors, beyond simply increasing resolution, that will significantly enhance the home entertainment experience for consumers. In addition to delivering content in up-to 3840x2160 resolution, the Ultra HD Blu-ray format enables delivery of a significantly expanded color range and allows for the delivery of high dynamic range (HDR) and high frame rate content. Next-generation immersive, object-based sound formats will also be delivered via the Ultra HD Blu-ray specification.

    New ULTRA HD Blu-ray discs hold up to 66GB and 100GB of data on dual and triple layer discs respectively.

    http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150512005300/en/Blu-ray-Disc-Association-Completes-Ultra-HD-Blu-ray%E2%84%A2#.VVLPLE0cSUn

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  • v10tdiv10tdi

    It might make no difference in real world, but might make a difference in the lawsuit.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    As for the lawsuit, it's my understanding that the HDFury Integral works by converting the HDCP 2.2 scheme to HDCP 1.4 scheme. So the signal is not completely stripped of HDCP and they believe this is legally permitted.

    It makes no difference as HDMI 1.4 is fully broken.

  • v10tdiv10tdi

    The HDFury Integral works great for me.

    I have a Roku4 (UHD signal requires HDCP 2.2) and Panasonic AX800 (HDMI4 port is HDCP 2.2), however my A/V unit was not HDCP 2.2 compliant. I could use a direct connection between the Roku4 and the AX800, however the ARC audio from the AX800 (HDMI2 port back to the A/V) was stereo only when bridging HDMI inputs (from HDMI4 UHD to HDMI2) and the optical port on the Roku4 only carries signal up to Dolby Digital, not Dolby Digital+ (which is used for a lot of streaming movies)

    So my choice was either listen to stereo or upgrade my A/V unit. I liked my A/V unit, so I saved a boatload of money by getting the HDFury Integral. It works perfectly.

    As for the lawsuit, it's my understanding that the HDFury Integral works by converting the HDCP 2.2 scheme to HDCP 1.4 scheme. So the signal is not completely stripped of HDCP and they believe this is legally permitted. They have a lot of information on their site if anyone is interested.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    In January the companies filed a lawsuit at a federal court in New York against the maker of the devices, technology company LegendSky, accusing it of violating the DMCA’s anti-circumvention provisions.

    The HDFury devices in question allow users to strip the latest HDCP encryption. This hardware sits between an HDCP-compliant source and a secondary device, allowing it to pass on a “stripped” 4K signal.

    This week the Chinese company responded to the allegations, asking the court to dismiss the lawsuit on the basis that DCP’s claims are ungrounded.

    Among other things, the company argues that Warner Bros. and Intel will not be able to prove direct or contributory copyright infringement. Instead, they accuse DCP of copyright abuse to keep its monopoly intact.

    Something tells me that they have backing on top level.

  • v10tdiv10tdi

    @Vitaliy - Thanks for the tip on the HDFury Integral. I just ordered one. I'll review as soon as I have a chance to test it.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    You can get player in February already

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1211810-REG/samsung_ubd_k8500_smart_blu_ray_player.html

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Salt, Hancock, Chappie, Pineapple Express, and The Smurfs 2 constitute the first batch of Ultra HD Blu-rays that will be released by Sony Pictures in early 2016, and each will feature Dolby Atmos.

    Huh

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Yet some positive news come

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    The device shown above is a $199 video peripheral that Warner Brothers doesn't think should have been in anyone's Christmas stocking. Until just hours ago, it was available for online purchase.

    The devices, sold by an organization called HD Fury, allowed HD video to be moved around and displayed on devices that wouldn't normally be equipped to handle the content. To do that, the devices stripped out the entertainment industry's copy protection, called HDCP. The "HD Fury Integral," pictured above, was able to strip out even the newest version, HDCP 2.2, which protects Ultra HD or "4K" video content.

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  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Budget stuff is coming soon

    MediaTek MT8581 SoC will power Blu-ray players that use both UHD and high-dynamic range imaging (HDR). Mass production for the MT8581 is scheduled to kick off in the second half of 2016, the company said.

  • DrDaveDrDave

    They never really got all the bugs out of the Blu-Ray players......well, we'll see.....someone must think there is a market there.

  • davjddavjd

    So we will need to buy new disc burners, new discs an so on. Ok, we cannot stop it, but meanwhile would be simple if major brands could release a fw update to their actual bd top line readers, so to support the reading of a common 25GB blu ray disc containing ultra hd stuff (or it's already reality?). For now I will continue giving to my clients 4k videos on a usb pen.

  • DrDaveDrDave

    Sure, the discs have a different capacity, but you can fit a 4K movie on a Blu-Ray no problem if you store it in HEVC and just add a decoder. Hopefully, the new player will allow you to do just that, with a Blu-Ray burner, just like you can burn a Blu-Ray onto a DVD disc using H264 and play it back on a Blu-Ray player.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    You could just take a regular blu-ray player and add H265 decoding.

    Sorry, I do not understand you.

    4K Blu Ray disks are different actually, have bigger capacity. All else is also different.

  • DrDaveDrDave

    You could just take a regular blu-ray player and add H265 decoding.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    To coincide with the availability of Ultra HD Blu-ray™ players in the marketplace in early 2016, Warner Bros. Home Entertainment will be offering four titles on Ultra HD Blu-ray at initial launch showcasing 4K Ultra HD resolution with High Dynamic Range (HDR), offering consumers a sharper, brighter and more colorful home entertainment viewing experience than ever before.

    The first available titles will be Mad Max: Fury Road, San Andreas, The Lego Movie and Pan. Following quickly will be theatrical new release titles available day and date with their initial home entertainment release as well as a selection of catalog titles throughout the year including Man of Steel and Pacific Rim. By the end of 2016, Warner Bros. will have over 35 titles available on Ultra HD Blu-ray. To complement the disc releases, Warner Bros. will also expand the titles available on 4K Ultra HD with HDR via digital retailers. Dolby Atmos® will also be included on select titles for a truly immersive home theater experience.

    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/warner-bros-home-entertainment-announces-first-ultra-hd-blu-ray-titles-300197659.html

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

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  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @alcomposer

    First post.

  • alcomposeralcomposer

    H265?

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

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    Samsung announced player

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  • NickBenNickBen

    As much as I hate patents and royalties, I am for industry standards that mark real delivery dates, hence I am for the player since... If you like to make money and sell physical media, this solves part of the streaming quality and HDR conundrum.

    Most 4K I've experienced has looked terrible, due to delivery and compression issues- the streaming ability is not there in my area to sustain the data rates at "consumer" prices. It takes me out of the experience for films, but is "OK" for TV content.

    I think the open alliance is a better step for encrypted streaming media, wish it was available now and supported HDR, 3D, VR , HFR and 8K so we can get on with better things...

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @RRRoger

    Consumer rewritable discs industry is near death, and I have doubts that it is possible to make reliable rewritable disc here (I even see no plans). But HDDs, and you absolutely do not need hardware players.

  • RRRogerRRRoger

    Bring on the disc and players! It is too hard to use the 4k output on my GH4 and A7s for anything but DownRes 1080P now. Mainly I have a problem with 4k storage and playback.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    The Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) will commence licensing the Ultra HD Blu-ray™ format starting August 24, 2015. The format represents the work of global leaders from the consumer electronics, IT and content creation industries and will enable consistent and reliable delivery of Ultra HD content to the rapidly growing number of Ultra HD households, expected to grow from 11.7 million Ultra HD TVs in 2014 to 95.6 million in 2019.*

    http://blog.sony.com/press/blu-ray-disc-association-to-commence-licensing-of-ultra-hd-blu-ray/

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    The question remains as to how onerous the DRM authentication will be considering the wikileaks Sony documents.

    Well, something tells me that stakes are too high now. And someone will just make devices that look like HDCP enabled TV to player and output clean 4K HDMI signal. :-)

  • JohnTollwannabeJohnTollwannabe

    The question remains as to how onerous the DRM authentication will be considering the wikileaks Sony documents.

    I hope online disc authorization is not included. How would you like your expensive UHD Blu-ray collection to suddenly become inoperable when the studios start shutting down the key servers, as they have in the past?

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