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Best M 4/3rd interview lenses
  • Hey,

    I'm looking for a great interview lens for my Panasonic GH2 and have become a bit stuck.

    I got the Canon FD 50mm lens, but that's the equivalent of a 100mm on the GH2, so I have to be too far away from the subject for my liking.

    I've been reading good things about the Panasonic 25mm 1.4 (equivalent to 50mm). It's a bit pricey for me, but I'm hoping to invest in a solid lens that will meet my needs and not require me to purchase another lens for quite some time. I need it to shoot interviews, with individuals and groups (bands), which will quite often be in low light venues.

    I've heard the AF on the 20mm 1.7 is quite noisy for video, so I'm unsure that that's the right lens for my video interviews, but I've also heard that this is improved on the 25mm lens.

    Are there any other options? Will the 25mm being a prime cause any problems? Will the 25mm be a decent general lens for walking around shooting too?

    Thanks for any help in advance,

    IS2

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  • no one but your reduced free time will notice any difference with primes.

    I think all of us here will go the extra mile for the DSLR format. Almost everything in DSLR video requires a re-think and more time; prime lenses only take a little longer. My friends with their shoulder-mounted ENG cameras shake their heads and say my stuff is "too fiddly."

  • Add here plenty of wide converters ala lens turbo. And usually it is more than enough if you are not up to top league. Most interviews are for small business / education, etc. And no one but your reduced free time will notice any difference with primes.

  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev

    F2.8 zooms like Tamron are very good for such task and more handy

    Exactly. We got way off track (my fault) talking about primes as a way of getting the best image quality at a lower price. Few interview camera ops would dream of using anything but a good zoom and the Tamrons are a great investment.

  • @oscillian

    Thanks for the link to the Orbital Dolly! It would certainly do the job. For interviews, though, I'd only be arcing through maybe 10 degrees, so the orbital would be a rental-only choice for my own budget.

    Their dolly is obviously able to do those disorienting, fast "trucking" shots you see in horror movies. But If I were invited to do a doco on Michaelangelo statues, scrutinising each one and very slowly trucking while tilting to show that 3-D parallax, the Orbital Dolly would be indispensable!

    My skater dolly cost me maybe $30 (I maybe got it at one of our deals) and has only been used once for a kitchen shoot for food close-ups. Time to dust it off and get it to work!

    http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/comment/105766

  • Thing most people ignore that good cheap F2.8 zooms like Tamron are very good for such task and more handy. Sharpness is absolutely ok for videos, focus adjustment via FF is faster and it works repeatedly.

  • I did end up getting a 25mm 1.4, so I'll let you know how I get on! Thanks for your help. I would have considered another lens if I had the space to use it!

    I'm sure you'll do fine with 25mm m4/3. Space is one of the main constraints I'm talking about. A 25mm lens on micro 4/3 will give great shots of a head and upper body at 2 meters away. It only slightly unflatters the face in a close-up, which is used in interviews only part of the time, for emphasis. (pic below, at right) In fact, when you shoot a subject at a distance in mid-shot to MCU (AKA "MCS" in the pic below, left), that rectangular part within the frame which encloses the face equates to the same angle of view as a flattering close-up you'd get from a portrait lens.

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    from (left) Shoo — Shot_azz and (right) 101crew.co.uk " it’s a 25mm f0.95 micro Four Third lens and is a cracking interview lens."

    Plus, at that distance you'll be easily able to make wide, unnoticeable panning adjustments to anticipate and follow movement. [Only presenters and old people can seem to stay still].

    The biggest bonus to a 25mm (ballpark "normal") lens is its sense of intimacy, of being there with the interviewee. Please post us some stills!

  • Cheers guys. I did end up getting a 25mm 1.4, so I'll let you know how I get on! Thanks for your help. I would have considered another lens if I had the space to use it!

  • Haha.. my subjects are usually not too concerned about how they look, they're usually sunburnt sweaty, covered in sea salt, snotty nosed and wind blown. No matter what lens it's shot with, if the client is not happy with the content, you're in trouble. I guess the difference between run and gun on the fly event coverage and preplanned studio interviews is the time factor in setting up, apples and oranges, some of us live in different worlds, there's many uses for a camera, I for one would be lost in a studio.

  • @RatLabProductions Yeah, I really don't understand why people seem to be slightly not in favor of the 85mm for CU shots? It's perfect and makes the face more pleasing but whatever, use a 25mm for everything I guess.

  • I use the same combo as Vic for interviews with a C300 and with my GH3 (room permitting). I like the way the 85mm renders the human face for close-ups and switch between 35mm and 50mm for wides depending on the room and how wide I want the 2nd angle. I use lavs so having a boom in the wide isn't an issue for my style.

    I have found TV hosts will always complain at the results of using 35mm and below for closeups as it is not kind to their features and we all know how looks obsessed TV hosts are. They are their own biggest critics and its my job to make them look good.

    I have fallen in love with the Nikon-M43 speedbooster from metabones as now my lenses have the same FOV I'm used to between the C300 and GH3.

  • It's very subjective and this thread has proven that. I use an 85mm and a 24mm or 35mm for my interviews and most people have said the opposite. These are standard focal lengths for such, using non mft lenses. Look around on the internet and in many examples of what focal lengths do to faces, yet people here are cool with putting someone in front of a 35mm or even a 25mm lens for CU shots. Good luck with that. That's my point. I'm talking about known standards in how the lens distorts an object and some say it's fine. Subjective.

  • Idea: I can see how a skater dolly could be useful with a DSLR in an interview setup, thanks to its ability to roll in a curve (wheels adjusted to transcribe a wide arc with the interviewee at its centre). Any time the interviewee's movement invites a wider view - or the interviewer might have accidentally obscured them, the camera op could lightly roll the dolly through a few degrees of rotation, pulling back if needed, confident that the talent would stay in frame.

    I imagine myself trying to build a huge curved tabletop! There must be a hassle-free alternative. Has anybody tried a skater dolly in this way? I'll try a few shots with a big table tomorrow,

  • everything is subjective

    I do wish that were the case! The interview genre presents us with real challenges and constraints. A lens focal length must be chosen to exclude the mic from the frame yet get good sound. Camera positions can be a hurried compromise as well. The camera operator's role is at the same time self-effacing (the talent is the star here), the interviewer gets the credit, and yet the camera is expected to be perfect, for every take, with little appreciation.

    On the other hand, interviews as a camera-journalist yourself can make for a good ride. You don't have to write a paper (because the talent has said it), your sub-editors don't need to check your work (because the talent said it) and you can build a portfolio fast.

    But make a mistake early, and it can spell an early end to a career. People like to be shot from their best side and for everything they say to be broadcast. They ask for veto rights, just because of bad hair day. And then, nobody over 25 likes their own face.

    Camera interviewing is unlike other trades in which the work has to be perfect every time: unlike crash repairers or kitchen installers, interview-based camera work covering 80% of situations can probably be pretty well mastered in about 12 weeks. That's when some guys are happy to spend their after-work time drinking beer while others might start planning a documentary in Tibet with their GH2..:-)

  • I'll say...as I'm slowly going to remove myself from this board, that one thing I've learned....is that everything is subjective. If you like and and your clients likes it....well....then that's good enough. Peace guys and keep it in focus.

    P.S. @Rambo Keep the good work sir. You've always been an inspiration ad motivator.

  • It's also good to experiment from time to time, it's how you learn to venture outside established conventions and even develop a unique style for yourself.

  • @goanna

    All I want to do is to encourage people to think actively about their choices behind the camera. We see "properly made" interviews every day - the aesthetic is in your backbone already if you have an aesthetic backbone. Although it of course pays to know how to do all the basic stuff, it can pay even more to realize that something could be done in another way for a "better" end result.

    Though, it´s certainly not the easy way.

  • @tinbeo, opening shot was 20mm Panny locked focus, the OOF transition look was created in post (Newblue plugin if I remember)

  • @Rambo Was opening interview shot auto or manual focus with Panny 20 mm?

    I have 45mm Olympus and 20 mm pancake. The interview length would be one hour, sit and talk. I plan to use 45 mm with etc ( 90mm ) for thru shoulder shot ( That would be my shoulder face to interviewer), and 20 mm angle setting like your opening. All of your inputs for this setting would be appreciated.

  • @RRRR

    mwell.. I guess we've all got to loosen up creatively sometimes.

    What I've described is Interviewing for the Camera Operator 101. Learn to do this stuff fast and it won't stop you getting arty on the weekend but once in a while you might be able to give up your day job too.

  • Few cents here. Distortion, lens choices and position relative to the subject should be based on what kind of footage you want in a given situation, not on "how it´s done on telly" or standard movie dialogue shot. There is no neutral (not really, though you can of course decide on either of the above), only different choices. You can make the subject look fat / skinny / wierd / cool / grotesque / sickly / beautiful / serious / fun depending on your framing / angle / distance from subject / lens choice and lighting (positioning). Obviously there are practical boundaries in there as well and going back to the OP - Don´t be afraid of the wide angle, a 17,5 or 20 - 25 can easily be put to good use at relatively close distances from the subject and you can have the subject look in, what I´d guess would be useful ways, for a nightclub interview situation. For a shot with minimal background you need to go longer, obviously.

    You´ll want a lens that is very sharp at around f2-2.8 and I doubt you´ll want to go faster than that in any situation (very shallow DOF is difficult to master in any situation, nevermind a dark nightclub). I´d consider c/y zeiss 25mm f2.8 or 28 f2 (f2.8 if on a budget) coupled with a good adapter and a speedbooster for choice. I guess this would be more expensive than a panny-leica however you get a 2-in-1 lens with the speedbooster. If that´s not economically viable I´d go for a 20mm panny pancake.

  • This was the video from where I extracted the snapshots posted on page one.

    The 20mm allowed me to get close to the interviewee so the Video Mic Pro was in range, I also had a lav and Zoom H1 on him.

  • Setting up for interviews itself - before the interviewer and talent arrive - has never been more affordable either: as students we used foam heads on sticks (much more tolerant than live stand-in people). Now there are cheap, realistic, life-sized busts. (try googling images for "foam mannequin bust")

    Foam (jewellery) mannequin busts are better than plain (wig) heads because they have shoulders - for when you need to keep the interviewer's shoulders out of a shot of the talent. Mannequin wigs are cheap, too. Very important for sight-lines with long-haired subjects.

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