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2K BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera, active m43, $995
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  • @nomad

    Raw is always preferable, just needs good software support.

  • RAW is not log for sure. It's trying to squeeze a higher DR into the range that can be displayed by today's displays.

    Log is a kind of lossy compression, actually. It's doing that quite efficiently by redistributing bits to areas where humans have a better perception of tonal changes and dropping some minor differences in areas where we don't see that we'll. But lossy nevertheless, and it was developed for film scans initially in a time when fast storage was still very expensive.

    Colorists like it because they can see from the start what was really recorded and what they can play with. But it's their task to turn dull and stale looking log footage into something attractive or expressive.

    If you know your camera very well and know how you exposed, you can drop the log conversion and grade from RAW. BTW, log looks different from all major camera manufacturers.

  • @vicharris What do you think of the VF vs Shape's cage?

  • @jrd I'm pretty sure Shian has only seen the ProRes stuff and that's from what we shot so he probably will not be a good source of info on this. If I were you I'd listen to Kholi for now. He has the most experience of anyone on this forum with this camera so far.

  • @vapourtrail You can't go wrong with the VF cage. Best $140 ever spent. And people love the cage!

  • Anyone hearing anything about a release date for the Tilta pocket rig? Holding off on the viewfactor till it is released, but I'm getting an itchy buy finger.

  • Hi Everyone

    This is a first few days video review of the Raw recording in the Blackmagic Pocket Camera.

    On my website there is a link to download some raw footage too.

    Chris :)

  • @kholi

    To your last point, grading the RAWs directly, without prior conversion, I find that getting the popping color and skewed contrast down to neutral is a losing battle. At least for my purposes, it's much more effective to convert to film log, and build the image up from scratch.

    For the rest, I'm no longer sure who was saying what.

    All that aside, since Shian's the expert on color grading, am interested hear his views on both ProRes film log and RAW.

  • One stop over or under target exposure. Less noise of course with one stop over, one stop under protecting highlights.

  • @kholi I'm not familiar with a lot of technical things, so I'm curious what you meant by "exposing within a one stop bracket". What does that mean?

  • @jrd

    What are you differing on, exactly? I didn't say anything about grading RAW without BMD Film as a starting point?

    I said transcode directly from the RAW to ProRes to hand off?

    But, since you've mentioned it, it's actually pretty easy to grade from the RAW without BMD Film, you just start at a different place.

  • @kholi Yeah. That last workflow is the one that I'd use most of the time.
    Difference between internal ProRes footage and RAW->DNxHD is very noticeable.

  • @kholi

    Sorry, but beg to differ. Unless the goal is highly-saturated color footage, it can be very difficult to grade RAWS without a conversion to BMD film.

  • FYI RAW is not LOG, two different things.

    The RAW DNGs coming off of the camera are exactly as they should be. It's the same for any other camera shooting CinemaDNG. BMD FIlm is BMD's way of moving the DNGs back into a LOGSpace for colorists that prefer to begin that way.

    As mentioned a few days back (and, now being discovered), the Pocket Camera's RAW actually comes off of the cards looking fairly accurate if you expose within a one stop bracket, and you could literally just export that as ProRes and call it a day. That's only abnormal to me because the 2.5K's stills often looked unpleasant from the start, I'm finding the Pocket RAW DNGs almost deliverable when shot for the look.

    And the footage looks far better than the ProRes Video mode.

    A workflow on set could be to have your offloader transcoding to 1080 DNxHD or ProRes right from the CinemaDNG, and discarding the RAW if you want.

  • There ya go. Thanks V.

  • I suggest everyone that is new go find Davinci tutorials for RAW online somewhere and watch them before blindly loading footage up and then freaking out. This is a process people. Learn it. I would try and post some links but I'm on location in the middle of the Mojave Desert so I only have crappy cell phone service at the moment.

  • RAW is like seeing the middle exposure part (viewable range) of the clip with unseen "handles" of exposure on each end that can be pulled into the viewable range if wanted. Video ProRes mode has no exposure "handles" at all, thus limiting the dynamic range. Film ProRes mode also has no exposure "handles", but unlike Video mode, the entire sensor dynamic range is compressed into the viewable range.

    I hope that makes sence to people, and makes it easier to understand.

  • I'm lost.

    Shooting RAW is NOT "the same as shooting in video mode in terms of color/gamma" -- contrast and color will be way off in RAW, because of all the data which is being captured. Those supersaturated RAW images speak for themselves. It's likely to become a style, but this is not how the footage is supposed to look.

    Use the procedure that Flanders spelled out, or if you want to do all the clips at once, the Blackmagic BMPCC/BMCC manual explains how to do it for all clips in a project.

    Once the data is in this more manageable form (BMD film), then you start grading as you would when shooting in Prores film mode, which means starting from scratch -- applying curves, determining saturation levels, using power windows where necessary, etc. Or using an LUT or add-on to give you a basic grade, which you can then refine.

  • @_gl Thanks for the reply! I had one of those for my GH2 as well. But it died after I had used it a couple of times. Maybe it was just bad luck, it was great while it was working. Maybe I'll consider it again.

  • @cantsin ....Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but the BMPCC RAW is not recorded in film log. Film log requires processing, RAW is the absence of such (and high compression rates). Shooting RAW is the same as shooting in video mode in terms of color/gamma, just with less compression in camera. I've come to this conclusion because when I add a LUT to raw, it gets this oversaturated blown out look on the highs, and also RAW doesn't have that flat look film mode does. So in Resolve you would CC RAW like you would Video prores instead of film prores. No?

    EDIT=I just tried Flanders (not going to spell it out) suggestion and it looks awesome. I'm lost.