@010101 Not sure if you're trolling here, though it does appear so but are you familiar with Shian at all? I wouldn't call him a huge RED supporter. I've seen him praise the GH2 more. Why does every damn thread come to this? I bet if people we're sitting face to face instead of hiding behind computer screens most of this shit wouldn't happen.

Vic, let it go. You are wasting you time with this guy. He clearly thinks he knows me, and neither you nor I can disuade him from his opinion.

Anyone who's ever sat and talked with me knows that I try to be fair. I've called RED arrogant and greedy before [just yesterday I think] I've blasted BMD, and Panasonic... no one is safe from my wrath when stupid shit is perpetrated. I have no loyalties, no sponsors. I'm excited to see technology move forward. Hell I can do amazing things with 5.6 stops of DR, 16 is gravy... makes my job a hell of a lot easier. I don't have to stress as much. I like what's coming out of The Dragon development because it opens up new possibilities. And I lament this new technology because it benefits those who have not worked at their craft, and who poison the well.

I didn't call you an idiot or a moron. If you lumped yourself in with them, that's you reading my post completely wrong. I was merely explaining the advantage of the wider DR, and lamenting that there will be a whole new breed of idiots buying $4000 4K cams and shooting absolute shit, and calling themselves cinematographers.

THOSE idiots poison the well. The reason producers want the world, and they want it for free [but offer killer sandwiches and screen credit http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/5794/the-state-of-indie-production/p1] is because of the dumb motherfuckers I was referring to. Not you... unless of course the shoe fits. I didn't say it did. You just decided I was taking to you.

+1 @no_surrender I've not seen anyone master the GH2 as well as @shian in a narrative film making production way. He knows his light, and he knows the cameras constraints and the boy knows colour.

I am not sure about the rest of members here but I think the shoe that shian is making fitting me perfectly. I think I joined the crowed that shian refers to as motherfuckers by receiving a " Kodak browny8 "some 50 years ago. From that night onwards I have been trying to make a good movie and Lord knows I have done all I could including but not limited to cleaning the toilets of trailers around the film village and getting the latest cameras I could afford. I couldn't even imagine my efforts in pursuit of film making could be the cause of lamenting for some - in this case shian. We were all considered a new breed of film makers at a certain point. Some of us like shian turned out OK ! A lot of those used funny ideas for camera like a hacked GH2 ! There is nothing wrong with new breeds and indi cameras. They don't deserve to be looked down upon by anybody. In fact I have never heard Roger Deakins addressing anybody the way shian does. Go figure.

Well, regardless of shian's lament - I am going to buy that BMPC at 4k@$4k and continue to practice the craft. For sure I won't have the 16+ DR but in the level of motherfucker film makers I have to survive with the little I can afford.

I love to see some work shian has done - especially the items itimjim is referring to. Perhaps I could learn something. There was nothing on IMDB for " shian " where ever I looked.

and clearly you're way too upset to see that you've missed my point entirely - I'm the first to say what camera you shoot with doesn't matter; it's what you do with it. I cut my teeth shooting DV, and shot "Singularity" on an HVX. All of that makes shooting on RED and DSLRs cake.

For those who can't afford one, just use that mad crazy skill to show RED that they should give u one for free along with some CP.2s

http://www.hdvideopro.com/7th-annual-emerging-pro.html

@010101 @shian

Use PM.

@shian

There's a theory here that gives BMCC 4k at 11 DR stops.

http://www.eoshd.com/content/10086/is-this-the-blackmagic-4k-sensor-same-supplier-as-leica-m-cmos

If it's true, i'll not go for it for a second 4k camera other my R1mx.

I really like, instead, the m43 2k BMCC for $995, but there's another story (or topic) :-)

Pink highlights are a result of bad color correction. I own an Epic and teach all three (Red One, Scarlet, and Epic) . so what the point? Point is that Red makes a good camera. it's business style evokes high emotion for and against but if you know what your doing, and you enjoy color correction, the Red cameras are a blast to work with.

People love to cut them down, but am very happy to see a camera constructed here in the US. no, not all the parts are from here (that's usually the first thing haters hit me with) but they are built here. Good for them.

Jay

Very interesting article here from Art Adams, an experienced cinematographer, and his love/hate relationship with the RED cameras, and what he expects from the Dragon.

http://provideocoalition.com/aadams/story/when-a-camera-manufacturer-hates-me