see your point but it just drives me crazy that time and time again I see people have no idea what they are doing with this camera and then wonder why their footage does not look good.

My quote just say why footage is much more frequently "not good". As all must match (knowledge, actual skill and talent in many areas) in exactly one guy. It is rare thing. Grading is also not so simple thing and requires skill and taste.

@vicharris

let me just provide simple quote:

Playing Hercule Poirot for a quarter of a century would not have been possible for me without the help of many, many people, all of whom I owe my most grateful thanks. The television executives, directors, producers, writers, production teams all helped to make it an unforgettable experience. To all the teams over all the shows, to the costume designers, costumiers, tailors, dressers, personal make-up artists, set designers and the art directors, who made the production values of Poirot so special, let me say at once, I could not have done it without you, thank you all so much.

I must also thank all the extraordinary and talented actors and actresses who have appeared alongside me and supported me throughout the years

From "Poirot and Me" by David Suchet. One of the best books I read recently.

http://www.amazon.com/Poirot-Me-David-Suchet/dp/0755364198/

With grading, please go to one of many grading topics :-)

Why opening ProRes and RAW source clips at Davinci Resolve 10 looks so different? Resolve opens RAW like very brut aggressive LUT? It almost not acceptable to begin work with any LUT (over-saturated, over-contrast and too yellow), just No LUT looks looks ok for start with it, but ProRes is opens very different, LUTs also not too bad to begin. Could I use some different preference for RAW?

@Aria

You have very good points. I have wondered also what is this magical "film look" or "cinematic video". Is there some common principles of that. Hmm.., 24P, 1/48, shallow DOF, slightly personal colors.. BMPCC is cinema camera so it is reasonable to reach cinema look. But I think still that many people want to grade normal rich color looking videos too. It seems to be difficult with BMPCC. Is there somewhere easy instructions how to do that?

I can clearly see from the movies I watch that there is no single look to any film i've ever seen.

I have seen many films which has own special colors. For example many children movies has very bright and vivid colors and 2. world war films has some muted colors.

Now can we all be friends again?

:)

I agree with all of the above and as I have already said I am guilty of thinking that slapping on a LUT will make my footage look great and it simply doesn't. I think the main issue is the majority of the bmpcc owners are or were previously owners of gh2s.. Mk 2 canons etc and the colour and white balance were already baked in or taken care of by the camera. Yes you could do some basic colour grading on top but the truth is most of that 8 bit footage was pretty much pre graded if you will straight of the camera.

Now all of a sudden we are presented with this flat log footage and cannot grade it correctly.. Ironically the kind of flat footage that we wanted out of our gh2s to give us the most latitude in post!

Another problem is software. I have always used fcp x but it is clearly out of the box not capable of being used to grade prores log footage. The in built exposure sliders in fcp x simply don't work on prores footage and don't really change the exposure. This is only evident when you use nick shaws plugin and see how his exposure slider really effects the footage.

I have also spent money on the lut utility for fcp x as well as the osiris filM Pack as well as filmconvert. Most of us all new to REAL grading and sometimes we don't have time to learn or the patience and would rather type in google " how to achieve the film look".

I will get better over time I am sure.. I just think a lot of us bought the bmpcc thinking we could produce amazing images with it that would far exceed anything we ever did on our gh2s or canons. Spec wise we know the camera is capable of this but I am yet too see it in my footage and most of the bmpcc footage out there.

to the oxymoronic "peaceonearth": "footage additionally killed by horrible sound."

Can you elaborate on what you mean by this? Do you mean the sound is inaccurate? lacks dynamic range? has overloaded parts? distorted? Or do you mean there is actually a sound track capturing the ambience of the scene and you would prefer instead ("it's just tastes") no sound at all, just a pleasant music track like everyone else uses? Or are you just being spiteful from envy? 'Horrible' is not an audio technical term and thus of little usefulness.

@vicharris

I dont hate BMPCC. I dont have nothing against anyone. I am sorry if I am not able to conversate politly about MATTERS. I have considered to try BMPCC but it seems to be very difficult tool. I am a little surprised that some people are so sensitive about commenting their color grading. I can see that it needs lot of work and effort and many are just learning to cc. If I would share my gradings I would be thankful for negative comments too because only that way I could develope my skills. Is it very helpful if everyone just says "Nice grade" or "wonderful video"? Of course cc is personal matter and taste but can you honestly say that there is nothing wrong with this BMPCC color cast thing I have asked.

".....it's because people actually have to learn how to grade the footage....." ------How can they ever learn if nobody says honest opinions or what must improve-----

@lmackreath They say I am too harsh to you with my comments. Do you honestly feel the same. If yes then I apologize you.

Like I said in my previous comment, this was a lazy grade which has the m31 lut slapped on it. It would not surprise me if a lot of people use this lut plus others from the Osiris pack to grade their log bmpcc footage.

The footage with the bmd film lut looks a lot different and does not have these color casts seen in a lot of videos.. But simply the colours from the scene I shot. The problem with the BMD film lut is that it's not a grading lut.. It just converts your log footage to 709 rec video., and that's what your footage looks like..Very video like.. Similar to the gh2 or mk2. The skill in grading is to on top of the initial lut to create a mood.. A feeling... An emotion that you want the footage to convey. Editing these days with the plugins available make it too easy for one to use Osiris.. Magic bullet looks..filmconvert..and with one click say " now my footage looks like film" and most of the time it simply doesn't. I am guilty of that clearly but am willing to learn and listen...

@lmackreath

Thank you for sharing your family Christmas moments.

I too want to comment colors of your video. I am again a little confused where this little green/brown cast comes with BMPCC videos. I wont believe that people buy this wonderful camera and then want to have colors a little like old paper photographs. Especially with family videos. There must be some issue with grading workflow because so many are getting results with same color errors or unneutral tonality. And almost always same look. It would be an incredible coincidence if so many had decided to use this "look". I dont want to criticise in negative manner. I just hope that my comment will help you or somebody.

I suggest to take a photo of same scene with proper camera and with auto white balance. That would be a sample of neutral grading of the scene. If you then want to cc to some "look" it is OK. I think that most people still want to shoot neutral rich colored videos with their BMPCC. I dont have BMPCC so I can not help with grading process.

I might know partly where this yellowish/greenish/brownish cast comes. In movies there is a certain film look. I think that movie projectors uses a little yellowish light compared to monitors and TVs. Many people has then adapted that look in their brains and when grading for cinematic look grade becomes too yellow. I see that yellow/green cast at TV when movies are shown and the older the worse. Some TVs has color profile "cinema" and again colors with that profile becomes yellowish. Some or actually many movies has own color world and there is often cyan/yellow/brown combinations.

This is maybe becoming too philosophic and of course every one can do whatever want with camera. I am just wondering....

@mark041 You don't have to be a dick about it man, you didn't see anyone grilling you for all the obvious and overdone warp stabilizer applied to your recent videos (among other issues). Constructive criticism is one thing, straight up slagging other PV members is not very cool. It's true that a lot of people have a steep learning curve in grading footage from this camera. Tips would be the gentlemanly thing to do. For example: learn scopes and try to grade on a calibrated monitor, if possible. Use reference wipes and take stills with a DSLR during shoots for great looking reference material to try to match. Keep practicing and every once in a while go back to old grades to see if you can do them better.

@lmackreath Great coverage, a lovely family memory! I'm sure it will be cherished for years to come. I've found interior lighting to be the hardest to get looking natural. Outdoor is another story, much easier to get a nice natural, warm and saturated look.