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Panasonic LX7 topic
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  • Hey guys;

    I read on here a few days ago of a rumour that the LX7 will be in line for a possible "hack". If this is true, that'll be great... as I'm looking for something small and compact that will shoot great video along side my GH2, GH1 and maybe a GoPro. I need to replace my aging Canon HV30's... and this camera looks to be a good price/quality.

    So, I guess my question is this... If the LX7 cops a hack, what can we expect? Possible 24p/25p framerates? Upped bitrate? I'm just finding it hard to see where the hack could improve this camera... unless I'm missing something.

  • The "lip" needs to be trimmed slightly by a sharp knife or your zooming will be suffering. Picture is by phone so not super off course. But I guess you understand

    "stonebat February 25

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/181064756395?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

    LX7 auto lens cap. So cheap :)"

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  • THX, stonebat.

    Yes, I guess it might get a bit tricky to fix this now "in the mix". Not much of a chance for this probably. I don't know but I guess there is no inverse curve in iMovie.

    But your hints are very welcome. Metering on the main guy - that could have been a solution delivering better results. I don't know which metering mode I used. But I used S-mode for time priority. It was et up to 1/30. Maybe 1/60 might had been the better adjustment (or even 1/50 due the 25 fps)?!?

  • Try inverse curve if there is such feature in iMovie. But I doubt that it brings back the overblown highlight details on the main player. It's gone. Forever. You should've used center weighted or spot metering on the main guy. Whenever you need to capture a scene where you have to squint your eyes (overblown) on one corner AND to widen your eyes (crushed black) on another corner in a same framing, you should realize it's high contrast scene. Then you'd have to decide to give up either highlight detail or shadow detail and adjust the exposure accordingly. This is true for pretty much all DSLRs including GH2. Use live histogram to detect highlight/shadow clipping.

  • This is a video I shot during a Rock meets Classic concert in Frankfurt, germany on monday 25-02-2013 (Jahrhunderthalle). Eric Bazilian (The Hooters - one of my main heroes) performing "Johnny B". It was brillant.

    I'm not that familar using manual settings. I used MP4 mode 720p 25 (not AVCHD). No need to convert it to a format that can be used in iMovie. Just a a few adjustments in iMovie:

    • exposure 82 % (default is 100%)
    • brightness minus 21 % (0 %)
    • contrast + 32 %
    • saturation 66 %

    Audio has been tweeked a little in a musical way (which made a huge difference).

    Distance to the stage was about 40 m (guessed). Handheld.

    All in all I'm rather satisfied with the results. But the main person is over-exposed throughout the whole video (probably due to the front lights). What is your suggestion: how can this be avoided? Smaller aperture (I guess it was rather open but I can't recall it exactly)?

    Cheers Jens

  • I have one of those auto lens caps, and it works well. But it is ugly and cheap looking and it prevents the top part of my case from fitting. What is needed is a case that accommodates the auto-cap and has a cut out part on the bottom for access to the battery and SD card compartment.

  • @stonebat

    Yep, cool. Almost required item for LX7.

  • @DailyFilmFix It depends on the type of footage and filming style, but I found panning and sports movements just did not conform well going from 60p to 24p. You can tell frames were dropped, a bit jumpy. Even using Twixtor to reflow the footage still didn't look like filming in native 24p.

    One thing that is bugging me of the LX7, is the aliasing on hard contrasted edges. ie in your video on the speaker's right hand side shoulder against the white background.

  • Wow, seems like a lot of heavy lifting to get 24p. I know you're right on the workflow, but I honestly haven't seen any problem dropping the 60p into my 24p GH1 footage. But I need to do some tests. I have not used the LX7 on any serious professional project. The local TV stuff is just experimental with no real downside.

    Let me shoot some 60p LX7 along side some GH1 LPowell hacked footage and post it this weekend.

    Here's the footage from last week's film festival. There is an audio issue in a clip that I failed to duck. Anyway, it shows a handheld shot on the fly--the filmmaker behind my LX7 is none-other-than James Kicklighter.

  • @ DailyFilmFix

    My understanding is that the RX100 is not completely manual in video mode. And it does not have a 24p mode, right? If hacked, the LX7 might be able to do 24p native. But I've not had any problem mixing 60p with 24p in FCPX. For my show, I've been setting up the three cameras in 720p so that all will be the same frame rate. In that setting, the LX7 suffered because the datarate was so low. I'll shoot a new show again next week at the radio station. I intend to use the LX7 on the table instead of the wide angle. It should be a little better in that capacity.

    On the RX100 you can either shoot movie clips in full auto, Shutter, Aperture priority or full manual control of ISO, aperture, and shutter speed. Plus some creative filters ontop of that

    No 24p that is correct - which is annoying. But the PAL model can do 25p in that fake 1080 50i AVCHD (25p progressive in a 50i container), or 25p in the lower bit rate mp4 mode. 50p converts to 24p pretty easily by frame dropping, or you can slow the clip to 48fps and frame drop cleanly to 24p. I find my US model's 60p does not cleanly convert to 24p on the RX100, it looks a bit skippy if there is a lot of panning. Unless your doing 40% slo mo which works perfectly.

    So I'm thinking of getting a PAL version, which is more flexible, since 50p to 30p works pretty well based on my experiments with sample original clips from the PAL model of various cameras and my GH2. You just need to set the shutter speed to 1/60 or 1/125 so the lights don't strobe.

    Or 1/50, and 1/100 for me since I live in PAL land :)

  • My understanding is that the RX100 is not completely manual in video mode. And it does not have a 24p mode, right? If hacked, the LX7 might be able to do 24p native. But I've not had any problem mixing 60p with 24p in FCPX. For my show, I've been setting up the three cameras in 720p so that all will be the same frame rate. In that setting, the LX7 suffered because the datarate was so low.

    I'll shoot a new show again next week at the radio station. I intend to use the LX7 on the table instead of the wide angle. It should be a little better in that capacity.

  • Then have fun with your RX100.....

  • @Markr041 Yes I wanted "flat" for grading, but the result after grading was still not quite what I wanted, is a better way to put it. The output still lacks a front to back depth and dimension, and pop is a better way to describe it.

    I am tempted to pick one up to try just to know for sure, it's cheap enough.

    I also just got a new GH2 + 14-42 kit lens for a bargain price, and I'm suprised how well the RX100 does indoors vs GH2+kit lens (f3.5), a lot less noisey and smoother looking! GH2 looks more "filmy" though

  • "I think there is something a bit flat/dead about the LX7 output then." I am confused: I thought you wanted a flat look, good for grading. The "fence" video was using a partcular flat "film" choice ('Natural') on purpose. You can choose 'Standard' or 'Vivid', the latter to get a punchy look. You can also set saturation and contrast for each 'film'. So there is not one look. I don't think you xan judge what the LX7 can do in video without trying out all the different settings - the flexibility in looks is what differentiates the LX7 from consumer camcorders.

  • @markr041 - thanks Yeah I've downloaded that video before and had a play with it, but it still not doing what I need. I had better luck with one of your Youtube videos, the one with the backyard fence etc :)

    As far as grading goes it's all about the mood. In any case in my clip, the original video does not look much different from what I uploaded to YouTube. The look mostly comes from the lighting (Magic hour) and the RX100 itself. The clip is meant to accompany my music, so I do want it to look more dreamy, rather than reality.. Different courses for different purposes.

    This jump video log I did doesn't go for the graded look, but there is still some pop to it - a bit overexposed due to using a 1/60 and 1/125 shutter speed not having an ND filter at the time

    I think there is something a bit flat/dead about the LX7 output then. Maybe due to the smaller chip size and resulting lack of dynamic range - Or camera processing? Just my subjective feeling. It's a pity, because it does a lot right by me, and it has all the features I want and like over the RX100 as far as compact goes.

  • Thanks for the fast reply. Active mode is offered on some Panasonic compacts, as well as camcorders. It is an extra electronic stabilisation feature. For example, it is offered with the LX5:

    http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/dsc/download/LX5/index.html

    Also see:

    http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/compact/lx5/hd_movie.html#activemode

    It does make a noticeable difference to steadiness.

  • @lowlight1

    I do not understand that you mean. Active mode as in video cameras?

  • I've been hoping Panasonic would offer Active Mode in video for the LX7 as a firmware update, but no sign of it. I can see that the addition of active mode to the LX5 is offered as an update, along with some other features, but I assume you couldn't use this for the LX7. Vitaliy, is active mode a feature you could add as part of a hack? It would help with video which I note from many examples online is little more shaky than say the HX9v/Hx20v. Screwing in a pistol grip makes a difference but would love to have active mode.

  • I find myself learning every time I use the LX7 and love its manual possibillities and that I can save the settings. Flying multicopters means mostly that I need to use manual shutter, focus and without stabilizer to get decent shots (especially since the engines makes rolling shutter a huge problem in wind). I hope for a hack to expand possibillities and would like to contribute with more money if the hack helps me. Here is a few of my latest videos:

    Selling cabins: http://vimeo.com/jojoen/vaset17130006

    And for fun:

    In the last one there is a few scenes midway (flying a faster airplane) with Gopro Hero2

  • 3 little vidéos shot with LX7 :)

  • I attended a film festival in Macon, Georgia, on Friday, because a feature I cut was playing there. The filmmaker called me up to he stage and another filmmaker grabbed my LX7 and quickly recorded the Q&A. He got great stuff (it helped that he was an accomplished pro). But he was able to instantly get quality video out of the thing with little effort. If this camera get hacked, it will have great potential. I'll cut the Q&A and post it to VIMEO this afternoon sometime.

  • Any chance of a hack? These Japanese menus are fun.

    I have LX7, but as I said from the start it'll be long shot project.

  • I picked mine up a week ago. Pretty nice camera! Any chance of a hack? These Japanese menus are fun.