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Official Low GOP topic, series 5
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  • I am soory!!!

    These are wrong settings.

    I will re-upload the right settings soon!

    bkmcwd GOLGOP3-13_SednaAQ1A_V2.2.zip
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    bkmcwd GOP3ZILLA_SednaAQ1A_V2.2.zip
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  • I release "GOLGOP3-13_SednaAQ1A_V2.2" and "GOP3ZILLA_SednaAQ1A_V2.2" settings.

    Of course, these are also the settings focused on image quality with LARGE I-FRAME SIZE except 60p and 50p.

    And, I am also focusing to stability.

    "SH" is improved in stability from the previous versions. Others are the same as before.

    Please refer to here to combine @thepalalias's "Pasadena_Pulse_Audio_V2_Beta2" http://perlichtman.com/pasdenapulse/wordpress/2012/03/14/panasonic-gh2-audio-settings-file-pasadena-pulse-audio-v2-beta-2/

    Please try it.

    Special thanks to @driftwood! :-)

    NOTE:

    *These settings are for PTool3.64d. Probably, although I think that these can use with PTool3.65d, I have not tried yet.

    *Although bit rate setups are quite high, the bit rate which actually appears are lower than these. Since the actual bit rate changes by the object to shoot, please confirm by yourself.

    *24H mode is high quality 3GOP setting with mega size I-frame.

    *24L mode is for 24p80%(30p).

    *In camera playback is available in 24p. In other mode, Sometimes available.(Not tested yet, but probably)

    *EX Tele works.(Not tested yet, but probably)

    *Spanning in 24H, 24L, maybe in FSH, HBR, and SH with SanDisk 95MB/s 64GB SDXC Card.(Not tested yet, but probably)

    bkmcwd GOLGOP3-13_SednaAQ1A_V2.2.zip
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    bkmcwd GOP3ZILLA_SednaAQ1A_V2.2.zip
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  • @bkmcwd

    I think GOP3ZILLA_HQ_V2.0 is not quite there in HBR mode (PAL). Attached a clip from a fast pan. When the pan stops you'll see that the codec crashes shortly.

    This is in ex tele mode (ISO400, smooth -2|-2|-1|-2).

    http://www.file-upload.net/download-4223482/GOP3ZILLA_HQ_V2_HBR25_PhotoJPEG.zip.html

  • Still struggling with my own patch.
    720 pal is i think now good enough, ad least for what i use it.
    Completly stable. and a clean image up to 3200iso and high shutterspeeds.

    HBR is another story, a real pain, but today i did get better results with the scaling settings from @driftwood new Mysteron.
    But 24p dont work anymore, no problem i never use it, only to test and see whats happens with different settings in ptool 3.65
    Am i right that if you set 24p good, HBR is shit.
    But when focussing on HBR, 24p is trubble.
    What i mean is, is it imposible to make them both good.
    I can get them both some better, but then 720 is getting worse!...

    I realy want to get the max out of my 720p setting..
    720 is with Sedna A and HBR with Mysteron.

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  • @towi

    Thanks for feedback, mate! :-)

    ummmm... I do not understand a matrix, but, I may doubt from before. Although the P frame is not used in 3GOP, must the table for the P frame also be used? Before, if the P frame table was turned OFF at a trial, it was sometimes in good condition. How is it?

    EDIT: Since it will probably only change to a stock matrix if only turns OFF tables, must it set like Mysteron of @driftwood?

  • Currently using GOLGOP3-13_SednaAQ1A_V2.2 and it's the best yet in my low light 'stairwell torture test'. Also shot some Cinema (24fps/ISO160/f14/vibrant -2-2-1-2) this afternoon and was very impressed. Got a keeper here. Don't know about spanning and such but it recorded 22 short clips w/o write errors and they were view-able in camera. Also folded in Pasadena_Pulse_Audio_V2_Beta2 for use with Panasonic 'shotgun' mic and sound was excellent. Thanks you all for this fountain of knowledge. Bkmcwd UR the best :-)

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  • @bkmcwd

    I can''t remember for sure but isn't the P-Frame matrix used when building the I-Frame of interlaced footage (one field using the I matrix, then the other with the P Frame). Or was that the B-Frame matrix used ? I can't remember for sure.

  • @Bonzai

    Thanks for feedback, Bob! :-)

    The picture looks good.

    @Stray

    Thanks for info, mate! :-)

    It seems to be related if surely an interlace is taken into consideration.

  • @ all the testers

    Opening to this thread is appropriate, or I am not sure.

    My friend made this from @Stray's chart. Please use raw data, downloading earlier, supposing it is helpful to you. :-)

    This is very useful for me, at least!

    *Rather than play it on vimeo, please use the downloaded data. This is not a result of hacked GH2. It is an animation for only using for codec test.

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  • @bkmcwd 1080i/HBR will use lower field P encoded. If you are on default Q, a matrix of 255 values in the P scaling table will generate a Quant of 20 throughout the lower field. ie you dont need excessive values. If you are setting IQ/Q values lower then experiment. But my P tables should be suffice (ok)!

  • @driftwood Thanks Nick! :-)

    Although I do not make a matrix by myself, when using your matrix, I'll use as it is.

  • @bkmcwd

    I've continued with testing the latest 4 patches with the Sedna A and the HQ Matrix. All work really great at 24H. At HBR/25p they all show some issues. I do notice compression artefacts here and there. Too, I-Frames are significantly smaller than shooting the same scenes with the respective patches without custom matrix. So I'll stick to your original patches (GOP3ZILLA 2.1 & GOLGOP-13 4.2) for the time being.

  • @towi

    Thanks for feedback! :-)

    If a custom matrix is uncontrollable by myself, it seems to be difficult for me to use.

    BTW, I improved the settings of the stock matrix.

    I release "natural_v2.1" and "GOP3ZILLA_V2.11" settings.

    Of course, these are also the settings focused on image quality with LARGE I-FRAME SIZE except 60p and 50p.

    And, I am also focusing to ROCK stability.

    These survived the my friend's "Instantaneous Death Screen" in all the modes.

    Please refer to here to combine @thepalalias's "Pasadena_Pulse_Audio_V2_Beta2" http://perlichtman.com/pasdenapulse/wordpress/2012/03/14/panasonic-gh2-audio-settings-file-pasadena-pulse-audio-v2-beta-2/

    Please try it.

    EDIT:Each second zip is the right setting! !! Please download the EACH SECOND SETTINGS!! :-)

    NOTE:

    *These settings are for PTool3.65d. Probably, although I think that these can use with PTool3.64d, I have not tried yet.

    *Although bit rate setups are quite high, the bit rate which actually appears are lower than these. Since the actual bit rate changes by the object to shoot, please confirm by yourself. In 24H mode, "natural" may be around 50-80M and "GOP3ZILLA" may be around 60-100M actually.

    *24H mode is high quality 3GOP setting with mega size I-frame.

    *24L mode is available.

    *80%(30p) is available both in 24H and 24L.

    *In camera playback is available in 24p. In other mode, Sometimes available.(Not tested yet, but probably)

    *EX Tele works.(Not tested yet, but probably)

    *Spanning in 24H, 24L, maybe in FSH, HBR, and SH with SanDisk 95MB/s 64GB SDXC Card.(Not tested yet, but probably)

    *I am also planning improvement of GOLGOP3-13.

    bkmcwd natural_v2.1.zip
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    bkmcwd GOP3ZILLA_2.11.zip
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    GOP3ZILLA_V2.11_24p_ISO1600_room_sp_qp.JPG
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    GOP3ZILLA_V2.11_HBR30p_ISO1600_room_sp_qp.JPG
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    bkmcwd natural_v2.1.zip
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    bkmcwd GOP3ZILLA_2.11.zip
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  • @bkmcwd

    Don't worry about the custom made matrices - your settings work great with the stock matrix!

    Re GOP3ZILLA 2.11 - Initial Quantizer is set to 20 ?

  • @towi

    "Re GOP3ZILLA 2.11 - Initial Quantizer is set to 20 ?"

    In my recognition, since IQ is related only to several frames of the beginning, I seldom care about IQ. However, if IQ is set to 20, I will feel that it is stabilized somehow.

  • I release "GOLGOP3-13_V4.12" setting.

    Of course, these are also the settings focused on image quality with LARGE I-FRAME SIZE except 60p and 50p.

    And, I am also focusing to ROCK stability.

    These survived the my friend's "Instantaneous Death Screen" in all the modes.

    Please refer to here to combine @thepalalias's "Pasadena_Pulse_Audio_V2_Beta2" http://perlichtman.com/pasdenapulse/wordpress/2012/03/14/panasonic-gh2-audio-settings-file-pasadena-pulse-audio-v2-beta-2/

    Please try it.

    EDIT:Second zip is the right setting! !! Please download the second setting !! :-)

    NOTE:

    *This setting is for PTool3.65d. Probably, although I think that this can use with PTool3.64d, I have not tried yet.

    *Although bit rate setups are quite high, the bit rate which actually appears are lower than these. Since the actual bit rate changes by the object to shoot, please confirm by yourself. In 24H mode, "GOLGOP3-13" may be around 70-120M actually.

    *24H mode is high quality 3GOP setting with mega size I-frame.

    *24L mode is available.

    *80%(30p) is available only in 24L.

    *In camera playback is available in 24p. In other mode, Sometimes available.(Not tested yet, but probably)

    *EX Tele works.(Not tested yet, but probably)

    *Spanning in 24H, 24L, maybe in FSH, HBR, and SH with SanDisk 95MB/s 64GB SDXC Card.(Not tested yet, but probably)

    bkmcwd GOLGOP3-13_V4.12.zip
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    GOLGOP3-13_V4.12_HBR_ISO3200_room_sp_qp.JPG
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    bkmcwd GOLGOP3-13_V4.12.zip
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    GOLGOP3-13_V4.12_24p_ISO160_GUNDAM_sp_qp.JPG
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    GOLGOP3-13_V4.12_HBR30p_ISO160_GUNDAM_sp_qp.JPG
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  • please do NOT use these settings


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    _seth_V28_PAL66_HQ_V1.0.zip
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    _seth_V28_PAL66_HQ_V1.0.zip
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  • @towi

    Looks nice! I am going to see later thoroughly.

    BTW, I have homework of "ALL 6GOP" taken out from @driftwood. Although made to the middle, if it combines with your 6GOP, it seems to be right just. :-)

  • Damn that HBR looks good...

  • Pfff, well its enough for today.
    I am getting close to what i want...
    720p pal and HBR have now almost the same bitrates, but 720 looks better.
    Just changed some settings for HBR and upgraded the 720 bitrate, but batteries is almost empty, no testing anymore today.
    Here is some info from today .... (KTM X-Bow)

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  • @towi Impressed by your HBR graph. 960k iFrames :)

  • @bkmcwd Can you please, please, pleaseeee! Make some samples?

  • @sohus

    "Impressed by your HBR graph. 960k iFrames :)"

    24p25p-NINE already exeeded 1MB on I-Frames in HBR (25p). But "PAL66" produces larger P- and B-Frames than 24p25p-NINE and motion looks better

  • @bkmcwd

    FYI...:

    GOLGOP13-V4.12 crashes in HBR/25p mode: write speed error on SanDisk 95MB/s (32GB).

    GOP3ZILLA-V2.11 shows an unenven cadence on B-Frames (see attachment) on the same SD card. This is not from a codec stress chart shot off a monitor ... it's a tungesten lit, highly detailed texture (static).

    I think the former GOP-tables for 1080i50 worked better (more reliable).

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  • I cant get 720 to work with i, p and b frames, where are i go wrong?

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