Z-CAM E2 camera is coming with 4K at 120fps

eatstoomuchjam

OK, that sounds less like a Prores vs h.264 problem and more like difficulties in grading footage from a specific camera. In that case, I'd probably just edit entirely in Resolve (in fact, that's what I'm doing lately anyway). :)

Firworks

Premiere Pro is fine working with Pro-res files. The problem is in grading the footage for use. I've tried using Lumetri to grade the BMPCC footage and I cannot get anything even passable out of it. The BM LUT in DaVinci gets me 99% of the way to footage I'm happy with and I can tweak it a bit off that. I even exported the .cube out of Resolve and imported it as a LUT into Premiere Pro but it provides very different results than the same LUT in Resolve.

eatstoomuchjam

Are you using an older version of Premiere Pro? I use Prores in Premiere all the time and I'm on Windows... The Resolve step seems unnecessary. If you're shooting raw on the BMPCC, you'd need to transcode to another format before bringing it into Premiere (unless newer versions of Premiere can import it natively? I haven't had any reason to try for a while now)

Firworks

I have the BMPCC right now and it's just a lot of added work to put the footage through Resolve before editing in PP. Taking a huge Pro-Res file, and then exporting it in an even more gigantic format just to pull into PP for editing and render is a lot of work for quick turnaround stuff. For projects that are more artistic or for fun it's not a big deal and will be nice but I'm just hoping it doesn't slow me down too much for YT stuff.

I'm also still a bit worried about matching with my G85 and G7 for multi-cam. I'm still learning how to work with the Blackmagic image and colors (that's why I got the BMPCC when I preordered the 4K version). I almost wonder if I might start shooting some stuff BMPCC4K and BMPCC rather than trying BMPCC4K and G85.

eatstoomuchjam

Also, for whatever it's worth, Black Magic is a company that has a history of delivering cameras (and capture cards/editors/other production gear) with generally good image quality that people use to get real work done.

Z-Cam is a company that has a history of making two cameras, one of which was nearly completely unusable when it was released and which, after several firmware updates, has achieved a status of "sort of adequate." Given how quickly they are releasing the E2, I'd expect early bird orders like mine to be more akin to a "beta tester" order.

eatstoomuchjam

Why would you be worried about working with Prores? It's an excellent codec that is well-supported by most/all major editors.

Firworks

Woah I didn't realize it was that small. That is incredible. I'm still so torn... I am beginning to think the E2 would be a smarter buy than the BMPCC4K for me. I've preordered the Black Magic but I'm getting more and more worried about working with the 4K pro-res rather than H264/H265.

eatstoomuchjam

Kinson says that production is coming along. Who knows? Maybe I'll get my early bird soon (and I'll cross my fingers that v1 of this guy is better than v1 of the e2 was)....

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10156559602153390&set=gm.254528685278084&type=3&ifg=1

DrDave

Looks good.

eatstoomuchjam

@IronFilm

they're making steady progress, going to get ProResRAW it seems.

Oliver Daniel Price Jason Zhang, will the Z Cam output the latest RAW format alongside this YUV 422 codec you've applied for?

Jason Zhang No

(from https://www.facebook.com/groups/zcame2/permalink/246476342749985/)

They are working on licensing some as-yet-unnamed YUV422 codec, but have absolutely not promised any sort of raw and have said they don't plan to support it. In addition in the same post, Jason says that for 4kp120, they only intend to support h.265 at 250 megabits/second.

Vitaliy_Kiselev

Preorders

http://www.z-cam.com/e2/

IronFilm

@Firworks yes they're making steady progress, going to get ProResRAW it seems.

Vitaliy_Kiselev

@Firworks

For now we did not get test body, all I can say.

any reason this is in the Panasonic area instead of the Raw Camera section?

Just tradition, we have m43 small manufacturers here. Like Yi also.

Firworks

Any Z-Cam updates? Still on track? @Vitaliy_Kiselev have you heard if you will get a test camera and possibly when? Getting a lot more excited about this camera than I expected. Sort of wish I had a Z-Cam E1 to get some idea of Z-Cam products.

Also, any reason this is in the Panasonic area instead of the Raw Camera section?

Vitaliy_Kiselev

As far as I know Z-CAM is on track with E2.

We hope to get test camera soon.

eatstoomuchjam

Pre-orders are live - $1750 introductory pricing (retail price will be $1999). Pre-order will be a $250 down payment with the remainder due at the time of shipping (they are estimating end of July).

http://www.z-cam.com/e2

Vitaliy_Kiselev

Samples

konjow

good choice!

bradneffphoto

Very nice, giving awards from PV is a great touch.

Vitaliy_Kiselev

Best NAB 2018 product award for E2

konjow

Its in consideration if there is a ppublic needs. There is optional output for Atamos at least (I think). BM packet does not consider this cos they like dng :)

sammy

@konjow where did this prores raw come from ? Didnt see pro res listed at all

konjow

konjow

Proresraw, possibility operate without phone and Im in(more butons)!!!. The only thing I would miss from BM packet would be free Davinci :)

audiovisualtech

so this camera is very interesting to me because of the Ethernet port. could be very useful for live streaming type stuff. the bad thing is, we all know how finicky a Ethernet port is, and the fact that they didn't put a locking connector on the back is very disappointing. i also don't like cfast. why not ssds? if these get raw and are sold under $2000 i'm going to try it. i would love to not need a handful of capture cards to deal with for live streaming! but they have to change that jack!

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