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Cheap 10" 1024x600 monitor with battery and HDMI input
  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Here (Alibaba express shop, shipping directly from manufacturer):

    Around $80-85 shipped.

    https://ru.aliexpress.com/store/product/10-inch-16-9-DVBT2-DVBT-digital-analog-mini-led-HD-portable-TV-all-in-1/803292_32531683701.html


    My review:

    From hardware standpoint long time ago it was good cheap LCD screen for movie makers.

    Processor : MST719DU-LF LCD : CLAA102NA0ACW (1024x600 resolution, LED backlight) Battery : 7.4V 2300mAh

    Two speakers and headphone output (with good metal socket) to check sound. I don't go to tuner, USB input, SD card player, etc as it is not very important here. To be short, you can check your JPEG files just by inserting SDHC card. But you better not to.

    Image quality:

    Average for portable devices. I like the colors (only for specific LCD panel used, later ones seems to be worse). Unit has ability to set color temperature (four presets, not VGA it is adjustable very precise) and many other parameters for HDMI input. Menu can be set to be almost transparent and position can be adjusted.

    From software standpoint it is not all good. First. HDMI connection must be slightly improved by manufacturer. I suggest to set HDMI format to 720p60 in GH1 menus (as this works fine most of the time). Sometimes GH1 go to 2-10s cycle trying to establish HDMI connection (turn modes wheel to go out of this and try again) on 1080i or auto modes. Same happens with my HD cameras. After all screen flashes it starts to work fine. Second and most important. Unit has small overscan. So, framing is slightly off and also sharpness is not perfect (but ok for focusing). Using VGA it don't have any overscan, so it is firmware related HDMI only thing.

    My unit is mounted on telescoping arm.

    I really suggest to check much better monitors at

    http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/717/special-deals-lighting-fresnels-evfs-monitors

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  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    We have one on deals from time to time, with peaking and 1024x600 res. I'll add it to monitors deal topic tomorrow.

  • sk810sk810

    I'm also looking for a better monitor for getting better focus on my GH2. Would you recommend a 7"? Looking at this one since it has peaking. http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/2012-Best-Seller-7-hdmi-monitor-for-Camera-5D-II-7D/808853_509047849.html

  • sk810sk810

    Need hdmi or vga for the teleprompter. That might not be a deal breaker since I think the software we use can flop it. Thanks.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @sk810

    I think that they do not have it.

    I really suggest to visit pandawill.com and get good modern Android tablet instead. Unless you need hdmi input.

  • sk810sk810

    I was thinking of buying the Leadstar 10" to replace our broken teleprompter. It seems to have the 1/4" mount we need. Wondering if it has a way to rotate the screen in the menu?

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @blazer003

    You checked my message directly above, right?
    I alreayd told that this guys had bad habit of changing panels.

  • blazer003blazer003

    @Vitaliy_Kiselev

    I think people realize that you can't get a completely accurate view except on a calibrated monitor. But people are saying it's not even close. Some of the Marshall monitors that I have, while not 100% accurate, are pretty darn close and can be relied on. It sounds like that is not the case with this monitor.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @AmandaNL

    Yep, it is not recommended as it had been in a time. Plus they constantly changed used LCD panels. So, first ones had normal color and not a bad screen.

  • AmandaNLAmandaNL

    +1 It has a very bad screen, awful colours, I sold it....

  • Peter123456Peter123456

    I bought this, and I don't think it's worth it. The framing is off by a lot, and although it is 1024x600, the picture seems pretty soft, so it doesn't help much with focusing. Better than nothing, but I wish I had spent about $300 on something with peaking.

  • datadogiedatadogie
    I bought this monitor for my T2i at first I could not get it to work. But with thanks to A1ex and Magic Lantern "Build August 17th" it now works. Still needs a little fine tuning which I am sure will happen. (working in it now) But what do you expect for nothing.
  • jazzroyjazzroy
    hi, on konsta's shop now the old monitor is gone, there are many differnt new ones, but the information is very confused.
    most of the models are numbered as 966, but with different prices and different specs.
    sometimes there's written a generic hdmi input, sometimes 1080p, sometimes 720p, although the model is always the same!
    there's also another model, named 1088, again with generic hdmi input.
    so, what's the correct one to have 1080p input?
  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev
    >Hardly any warning when the battery dies
    >Sometimes it just would not sync to the camera. I had to power both down and back up and then it would connect.
    >Image is not the same framing as the camera LCD. there is area lost on all the sides. I would have rather had letterboxing than this.

    All this issues are connected to monitor firmware.
    Unfortunately manufacturer did not do anything despite clear description and promises to fix them.

    >Image color/contrast/brightness is not even close to what the camera sees regardless of settings. Everything is much darker. Moving the settings up causes strange lines and colors to appear.

    You can't expect match until you are able to calibrate monitor.
    And sad thing is that monitor calibration depend on lighting temperature and brightness level.
    Other sad thing is that it seems that manufacturer is using any panel that he can find.
    So, your part about color and contrast can be different for different batch, I think.

    >The overall picture quality is much worse than normal downrezzing from HD to SD usually is.

    What do you mean under "normal downrezzing"?
    It's main problem is closely related with framing, making accurate framing will improve sharpness.
    But it is not very bad anyway.

    >Not really usable for most focusing work

    I use it for focusing.
    But if you are using focus pulls frequently you really need to invest in best monitor you can afford .
  • svartsvart
    Ok so I got to use this panel on a real movie shoot.

    Pros:
    Lightweight

    Battery lasted a lot longer than I had expected it to

    Bright *enough* for outdoor work(it could be a lot brighter)

    Useful for general framing and so dolly/grips can watch something

    Worked in high humidity and high heat/sun without any electrical problems

    Cons:
    Hardly any warning when the battery dies

    Sometimes it just would not sync to the camera. I had to power both down and back up and then it would connect.

    Image is not the same framing as the camera LCD. there is area lost on all the sides. I would have rather had letterboxing than this.

    Image color/contrast/brightness is not even close to what the camera sees regardless of settings. Everything is much darker. Moving the settings up causes strange lines and colors to appear.

    The overall picture quality is much worse than normal downrezzing from HD to SD usually is.

    Not really usable for most focusing work

  • _gl_gl
    Me? No I haven't, but I've only been looking at 16:9 panels.
  • KonstaKonsta
    Did you ever see a 7'' panel at ratio 4:3, pixels 800*600?
  • _gl_gl
    > Rock paintings - this is that unite all people. Let's use this approach :-)

    I've just found yet another controller that doesn't letterbox 16:9 on a 16:10 panel correctly - so I've drawn a rock painting ; ). Feel free to distribute (non-commercially only).
    16-9on16-10panelFirmwareBug_v2.jpg
    800 x 968 - 146K
  • svartsvart
    I needed a monitor for a shoot coming up next month so I bought one of these. We'll see how it works. They do have the matte version back on the website though.
  • fatpigfatpig
    konsta, i just found a photo of the monitor in use: http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/38/170622638_full.jpg i dont know if it helps you. greetings
  • fatpigfatpig
    thats sad to hear, i was excited about at least a kind of firmware update to the current one to introduce further functionality!
  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev
    I do not see any sign from Viner for quite a time.
    It had been months already since design of simplified monitor with bigger battery and better panel was suggested.
    Unfortunately, no real progress seen yet.
  • fatpigfatpig
    i also ordered one, currently in customs
  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev
    Rock paintings - this is that unite all people. Let's use this approach :-)
  • _gl_gl
    I'm also having a hard to communicating effectively with Chinese sellers (both via Ebay and places like AliExpress). Of course it's our fault for not speaking their language : ). But it is surprising that these manufacturers of tech gadgets sometimes have difficulty in understanding simple technical questions.

    For example, the usual firmware overscan or stretch issues (eg. incorrectly displaying a 16:9 stream as 16:10) could be communicated better through pictures. I suggest that someone draw up diagrams that visually illustrate what's wrong, and what you'd like to see in future firmware enhancements.
  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev
    In ideal we must talk not to Konsta, but to his engineer directly :-)
    As I am aware he do not know English well enough, unfortunately.
    Such things as overlays (for marks, color bars, etc), scaling or desqueezing can be doby be any chip used in modern TVs, even in extremely cheap ones.
    In more advanced chips you could make complex FIR filters for focus assist.
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