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2K BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera, active m43, $995
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  • Sarah1991Sarah1991

    @Vapourtrail I'm asking a far simpler question of whether the baseline iris pro imac can edit ProRes HQ. I know it can but the issue is what will the performance be?

  • spacewigspacewig

    I'm not sure why there is so much voodoo and dancing around what seems to me to be a very straightforward question: i.e. if one has an ND filter and wants to add an IR cut filter to film with their bmpcc, will a Hoya IR cut, in addition to the ND, do the job or is there an inherent issue using ND filters that are NOT Hoyas with the bmpcc?

    In my particular case, I own a set of the tiffen indie NDs. If I stick a Hoya IR cut before/after one of these ND filters, will this work OK when filming with the bmpcc, or will there be a color-cast that I should be aware of?

    If there has already been some tests done, which apparently is the case, would someone be kind enough to post the link to said test so I can read the results? The info is apparently is out there but I have had no luck finding it.

    Thanks in advance.

  • vapourtrailvapourtrail

    I think a lot of people on this forum (myself included) have run into this issue. It's been discussed that editing in proxy will work on slower machines. I have a late 2010 iMac (pre-thunderbolt) and this has been my solution rather than spend another few $k. NoFilmSchool has a decent article regarding editing with proxies. Should come right up in a google search.

  • Sarah1991Sarah1991

    I don't know if people here can help me. I plan to make a documentary about a family member who happens to be someone quite famous. After researching I bought the Black Magic Pocket camera mainly due to its smallness so not to be intrusive.

    My problem is my laptop seems to struggle with the PRORES footage and so am looking to buy an iMac to edit the Doc with. After researching I'm not going to touch RAW (I think) so am looking to get an iMac up and running that can with no problem edit the ProRes HQ.

    The problem is i'm on a budget, not a really tight one but I bought a lot of equipment so I need to not go crazy on the computer. To cut a long story short I am wondering which iMac will cut ProRes HQ. I want to buy the low end one with iris pro graphics but I can't find a definitive answer to whether it will work great. Loads of opinions but no personal experience using the iris pro 21.5" with ProRes HQ on this camera.

    Can anyone tell me what they EXPERIENCE editing with the base model? Any advice on buying an imac would also be good but I'm first trying to go cheap with the iris pro model.

  • last_SHIFTlast_SHIFT

    And the costs just keep adding up :-) I ordered a 52mm Hoya IR Cut for my smaller m4/3 and Nikkor glass for now. 77mm IR Cut will come later with the 77mm ProND kit when I get the cash - so that's 'only' another 600 bucks - lol

  • vicharrisvicharris

    @kholi Those are some expensive UV protectors ;) Funny thing is, I did a two camera shoot and totally forgot about that. Only had one IR/UV filter so just said f*#k it! Wasn't for any paid gig, just a submission video for my girlfriend on Shark Tank so it really didn't matter.

  • RodColeRodCole

    @trackzillas and @kholi It sounds like a good idea to use those IR Cut filters and so doing will keep me from having to buy the 5 filter ProND kit immediately. I will definitely go with the ProND filters later this year. Thanks for the heads up!

  • RodColeRodCole

    @vicharris Thanks so much. I will order some ProND filters (drat, in 77mm, they are even more expensive than the Tiffen WW kit that I bought, but the results are worth the price). That sounds like the best option.

    While checking my equipment, I found that I already have the Hoya ProND 10-stop filter in 77mm for still photography (for which I paid $120). Had forgotten that it was a ProND. That was a nice surprise!

    The five filter set is much more reasonable in 55mm, which will fit all of my lenses with the correct step-down ring except for my 7.5mm Rokinon which has no filter threads. The word must be out on those filters as the 77mm set is backordered.

  • vicharrisvicharris

    Yep, just google ProND, Hoya, Tiffen, BMCC, BMPCC and maybe our names and you'll find everything and more. Too much to repost here.

  • kholikholi

    I spent quite a lot of time hunting down the right NDs up until the Hoyas popped up. If they didn't I would be a mattebox owner and TrueND customer because that is as close as you get to accurate, IR, and minimal color shifts outside of ProNDs.

    The Hoya ProNDs IMO are one of the best things to happen to no budget filmmaking in general, it's only a matter of time before word spreads from that thread into the community.

    Not going to post any links but its probably better to google "ProND" and "pocket" or bmcc to find the info you guys need, as I'm sure it's fine off topic in some way.

    It'll cover the IR cut and show examples, and some other community members have done tests as well.

    I'm going to buy an few more IR cuts and just use them as UV protectors from now on, because it never comes off of any lens on the camera, and neither do the ProNDs.

    In fact, when the weaker ProND comes out ill probably wear it indoors. =P they rock.

  • azza_actazza_act

    @vicharris Do you need the Hoya IR filter when using the Hoya ProNDs?

  • mrbillmrbill

    @vic Harris - so just to clarify - best option is the hoyapro nd in various strengths, plus HoyaPro IR cut filter. These in any particular order?

  • vicharrisvicharris

    @mrbill And yes, if you don't have the money the newer Genus seems to be ok though you still will have some work to do in post but not too bad. Of course you'll need the IR/UV cut.

  • vicharrisvicharris

    @crisvpl Hoya doesn't make the 4x4 filter yet, but they are working on them. If yo want 4x4 your best bet might be the Skiers on here though they only go to 1.2.

  • vicharrisvicharris

    @spacewig Uhhh, there was a link to the results. Odd

  • crisvplcrisvpl

    Hoya has a circular 3-400 variale density filter. Are good enough? vicharis said that 4x4 hoays are the best...

  • mrbillmrbill

    You'll need to do a forum search, but my understanding is that the Genustech Eclipse fader nd works pretty well on the pocket - perhaps @Vic Harris or @Kholi can chime in.

  • crisvplcrisvpl

    I need a nd fader because is handy. Is there any recomandation?

  • spacewigspacewig

    @captainhook And what was the result? Are the tiffen ND's useable with a Hoya IR cut in front?

  • vicharrisvicharris

    @CaptainHook You know, I felt like you did but wasn't sure so I didn't want to say anything.

    Still the consistency of those damn Hoyas is just great during editing.

  • CaptainHookCaptainHook

    Actually, I have a 4x4 1.2 WW ND around here somewhere. As soon as the rain stops, I'll throw it on my mattebox with the Hoya IR/UV cut and see if I get the same shitty green image I got from the Tiffen IRNDs.

    @vicharris - i did this combo amongst the other stuff i tried - i made stills of the 4x4 1.2 WW with and without the Hoya IR cut - its after the 1.5IRND image and just before the VND ones

  • TrackZillasTrackZillas

    @vicharris @RodCole I see I have the none IRND's Shane talked about that also Wooh relief :) cause those ND cost a pretty penny.. Now I only have to get the Hoya IR filter and I'm good to go.

  • vicharrisvicharris

    @GMC I'll agree MB did a fantastic job with the BMPCC booster. Improved the optics over the first model. It's stayed on my pocket since the day I got it. It's only come off recently so I can shoot some stuff with SLR's new anamorphic lens attached to the Sigma 18-35.

  • vicharrisvicharris

    Here's a link to the Hoyas as well. http://www.kenkodepot.com/products/hoya/prond-filters/cine-nd-kit.html

  • vicharrisvicharris

    @RodCole The Tiffen IRNDs are the real problem here. That test Able Cine did was completely wrong. We've gotten horrible color shifts and other problems with the Tiffen set. I did a test with the whole set. I think some of the guys tried the WW Nds but still preferred the Hoyas though I could be wrong. If you go with another brand, I would at bare minumin by the Hoya IR/UV cut filter to go along with standard NDs. I think some of the guys have been getting good results using that and the new Genus Vari ND. But in the end, everyone who has tested multiple brands, ends up with the Hoyas. I will have to say the initial impressions of people using the 4x4 Skiers has been pretty good but they don't go very high and I haven't seen a stacking test yet.

    Actually, I have a 4x4 1.2 WW ND around here somewhere. As soon as the rain stops, I'll throw it on my mattebox with the Hoya IR/UV cut and see if I get the same shitty green image I got from the Tiffen IRNDs. Totally forgot I had some normal 4x4 NDs around here :) Message me in a few days if I haven't gotten back to you. Little busy here.

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