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STEADICAM SOLUTION FOR GH2
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  • OK so i'm looking in to modding my hd-1000.

    Even with my GH1 and Tokina + Quick release plate, I seem to be having issues with it penduluming. I've had it for a couple of years now and done lots of reading up on it and experimenting. I understand how to balance and have had it balanced correctly (used spirit levels, experimented with multiple different drop times) I also understand how to walk with and hold it blah blah but I've heard mixed reviews with the hd-1000 and some people have said that even maxed out, it just isn't heavy enough to create enough inertia. Now, i'm not one of those people concerned with keeping the rig light and only bought the 1000 over the 2000 or 4000 because of price. I was thinking to get a longer telescopic pole and add weights to the bottom and top to make it similar to the 2000/4000. In theory, would this work? or am i better off selling the 1000 and getting a 4000.

    Any advice would be appreciated.

    Thanks.

    Mike

  • @labalbi

    The weight of GH3 is slightly more, but it is not much important.

    As for FlyCam Nano, don't buy it, as it is pain in the ass to balance.

    @vicharris

    Be more calm :-)

  • Why would the 3 make a difference? Did you really need to ask this question?

  • Anyone tried the Flycam nano with the new GH3 ?

  • Been using glidecam hd2000 for about a week, I have a 5 inch LCD on the camera that gives it the perfect amount of top weight. I also purchased the steady shooter vest and it works very well, I will post some test footage when I get some free time.

  • @pc_bel

    @tommy might be referring to the way a DSLR user can pass unnoticed; ie low profile. (Works for me).

  • @tommy Sorry for late replay!!!... For "low profile"documentary work (I'm not sure what does it mean) why do you need a cage/rig?. Just use camera and you can focus or adjust something without problem, may be using viewfinder as you do when take a photo, you have extra stabilization. Important to use a stabilized lens. My opinion is DSLR are not good for this type of work.

  • @inhousegoods

    It is not a good thing, you an contact me I'll give you details concerning Wondlan solutions with good vest.

  • @inhousegoods Odd, it looks sorta like a Glidecam. The carbon fiber stuff has had a tendency to bend and splinter. Not sure what part is CF but the price is ok. Also, I've read the double arm setup is better than the single but I've never tried either.

  • Does anyone have any experience on this vest setup?

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Carbon-Fiber-Stabilizer-Steadicam-Camera-Video-Steadycam-Vest-Arm-/140865928618?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20cc437daa

    I'm leaning towards the glidecam smooth shooter + HD 1000/2000 combo, but I'm looking for a cheaper alternative. Seeing if there are any other options to a steadicam vest type setup.

  • @djhessler @Jspatz @bahman @jakef @pc_bel I hope to hear everybody thoughts/ suggestions how you are controlling the camera focus / buttons when it is in a DSLR cage, or on a steadycam? Is it true that (when the camera is caged or on a glidecam) you are also using all settings/ focus as fixed (and can not be changed during shooting) or am I missing something?

    ------- extra explanation------------ Many people buy /develop/ combine cages and rigs (for the GH2). Many things I have are too large for my 'low profile' documentary work. Therefore I made this 'rig' out of several other parts. (not finished yet). I use it to mount light, microphone etc and to get my hands further away from the GH2 so there is less shaking during handheld/ walking. The camera is a bit behind the rig (on the strip) for better balance, and I can access the battery, buttons/ focus easily etc. I can mount it on the tripod

    But when I am holding the two handles I am of course not able to focus (and adjust anything). This is the same with any steadycam / glidecam . Hope to hear from you how you deal with this

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  • I just purchased Glidecam HD2000. It works perfectly with GH2 and SLR Magic 12mm. I have two weights total on the bottom and camera+lens on the top. Highly recommend it. I will post some footage soon.

  • Well I just went out and bought the CMR blackbird today. It can go from under 1 pound to 8 pounds in camera weight, so i'll be sure to post up how it goes this weekend as I test it.

  • @ricker in my opinion HD1000 is the right tool for GH2. For HD2000 GH2 is too light. Consider that for a bigger camera you need to be in a very good physical shape and you might get quick to a point where an arm or a vest could become necessary if you want to work more than some minutes. I would recommend to start with the HD1000 and think again when you have your bigger camera. From my experience there is no future proof buying in electronical gadgets. I buy only for my current purpose.

  • So I'm not sure if there was much of a conclusion on this? I'm looking at either the Glidecam 2000 HD or the 1000 HD, thinking the 2000 would bullet proof the future if I get a bigger camera. SO maybe a 2000 with 2 extra weight plates on top?

    What do people think? do these work well with a bit of practice. I feel i'll be fine with it, as I can get pretty smooth shots just attaching a go pro to a hiking pole and walking artfully.

  • Ahh... Russian Ark ... the Russians invented montage, and then they invented a way to abolish it altogether ;D

  • Ahh.. Russian Ark, such a great film and a miraculous technical achievement!

  • Just forget it and hire this guy...

    "Russian Ark" - An entire feature film shot in one continuous 96 minute take... on a steadicam!

    In One Breath - The Making of Russian Ark

    Wikipedia

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Ark

    Production Notes

    http://culture.com/articles/2015/russian-ark-production-notes.phtml

  • And to throw my two cents in here... I've tried the Steadicam Merlin and a Glidecam 2000 and had fits with them both. I was using a 5D with a 28-70 zoom and couldn't get the damn things to balance very well. They would inevitably always sway a bit side to side. It seemed like they needed more weight on top and weren't really designed for smaller DSLR rigs (it seems others have chimed in above with that same feedback).

    I was really trying to accomplish side to side movements (akin to dolly movement) but those units seemed best when moving forward rather than side to side. They always tilted slightly to the left or right along with my movement.

  • Does anyone know what kind of stabilization unit that is above that Donnie88 posted? Here's the link again:

    http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/296169_10150345586285733_660630732_10004822_1905788_n.jpg

    I'd love to find something very similar to it.

  • @lebowski1998 "It looks like we need a shootout to decide which steadicam is the best."

    Note that "wandering around the garden" shots are largely useless for comparative testing of stabiliser rigs and operator ability.

    The most meaningful test of a stabiliser+operator (for most indie movie users) is the ability to maintain a walking shot preceding an actor with a mild zoom setting (e.g. 25mm on GH2). Pay attention to the fine points of correct headroom, ability to smoothly start/stop, negotiate basic obstacles like rough ground or a step up/down, and a clean lock-off.

    FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS FORUM: I suggest a simple "60 second stabiliser test shot" that many people could replicate and submit for comparison: i.e. >>> actor starts sitting in a stationary car >>> gets out of car >>> answers mobile phone >>> starts walking towards camera >>> camera maintains 20+ seconds of perfect framing preceding actor as he/she talks ... includes actor walking up or down a gutter/short steps/simple obstacle >>> shot pauses in 5-sec lock-off >>> camera then circles 360 around actor >>> shot lock-off >>> actor steps out of frame.

    There would be browny points for inclusion of tilting up/down at various points on the shot, and working with longer lens settings. This will sort the wheat from the chaff.

    The methodology for a more detailed steadicam/stabiliser "shootout" would need to be based on the standard set of about ten Steadicam Operator's "precision training drills" with cross-hair targets ... involving pan, tilt, changing body positions, acceleration/de-acelleration in all axes, obstacles and lock-offs.

    The standard training drills for Steadicam operators are demonstrated very well at:

    The drills are also written up in detail in the Steadicam Operators Handbook by Jerry Holway & Laurie Hayball (Focal Press, 2009) p 57 approx $50 . This book is an essential resource for anyone taking steadicam seriously. (2nd edition due out soon).

    For DIY stabiliser buffs, there is also a massive wealth of DIY plans, info and tips for modifuing commercial rigs (hand held and mechanical) at the new location of: www.hbsforum.com

    Happy to share further thoughts on the stabilisation grail ... chris.poynton@gmail.com www.cp.org.au/movies

  • I used a Merlin without a vest it was very hard to get it in balance and it was way to light its much easier to work with a heavier rig expetially when you get wind outside.

    So my setup now is a Glidecam X10 with a 4000Pro and a 7 inch monitor at the bottom and a lot of extra wight.

    I really prefer the Glidecam over the Merlin its build like a Tank . With the Merlin I was always afraid that I may destroy something.

    The monitor is also a must have I think. Because you are looking down you don’t fall so fast ;) and its way easier to estimate how shaky the camera is because at the bottom is more movement.

    To mount the monitor I had to drill a few holes in my Glidecam is possible but it is a pain in the ass to get a HDMI cable in the pipe of the 4000Pro. (I had to weld 2 HDMI cables together)

    So from my side a heavy rig is the key and you have to use it regularly to get training with it .

    A small rig and not much time to use it is will never get you some good results.

  • Just wondering if anyone has hooked up a 7" monitor to the bottom of one of these? Looking at the HD2000 and wondering if that was possible. I would think that would already rule out the smaller units, such as the HD1000.