One's perception is one's reality. If one chooses to be upset by words, then one WILL be upset. Just like I chose to be upset by this topic title. Quote: "I'm not interested in your professional workflow." My response? I gave up amateur workflows years ago. Why? Because I have to work with others and be the most efficient I can be, so that everyone gets paid. It takes a certain kind of toughness to survive in the 'pro' media business and the BM forum posts referred to reflect the personality types of those people. Don't be too hard on us poor professionals, we are just trying to keep everyone else out of the 'pro' industry! ;-)

@caveport There was at least 3 "pros" (I use quotes because IMO their attitude is not pro) in the same thread with similar views. Not exact same words but I think you get the point.

I'm not interested in your pro workflow, I cannot afford it. AVCHD was on Resolve Lite 11 feature list and there was at least 3-4 topics about that on their forums. Maybe more, I haven't been following it that much anymore.

But the point here is not what workflow is the best. It's about the attitude, there are too many "pros" who simply cannot behave. Maybe because they are afraid that these hobbyists with toy cameras takes their jobs or something. I don't know.

I have no issue with you, as you have maintained your dignity through this thread, but I still find the topic title offensive

If you search good enough you will always find proper brick falling on your head :-) I mean that nothing is offensive until you make it such in your head. For now it is mostly you who keep this topic active :-)

@caveport @discomandavis Panasonic AVCHD support was on Resolve 11 feature list before it's release. But it didn't happen, maybe for the same reason as there is problems with Sony A7s audio. People got pissed off because BM didn't keep their word and don't even give comments about it. And then these pros come and calls our precious tools as "toy cameras". How can you have peaceful conversation after that :)

@tonalt Thanks for posting the links. I read the entire thread. It really highlights the communication problem when people have fixed attitudes. The 'pro' wants the camera manufacturers to adhere to 'pro' formats and make these new cameras easy to work with while the 'non pro' wants the software makers to adapt to lower end cameras that have great image quality. I don't see any issue with those posts at all. I think some 'non pro' people don't realise that 'pro's' must deal with ANY camera footage that is provided and we must build custom workflows FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL JOB!

In your linked forum thread, people are complaining that Resolve does not support audio in a non-compliant mp4 format designed by Sony. Blaming Blackmagic seems a bit unfair.

I have had many issues like this over the years, with Avid, FCP, Premiere, Smoke, FCPX, Resolve, Nuke, Media 100........ are you bored yet?

The best way to approach 'pro' forums with issues is to ask for assistance rather than complaining. I get frustrated with things not working just like 'non pro's' do. The difference is in how I go about finding a solution. IMO it is the 'non pro's' in that discussion that had the fixed attitudes. This topic is itself an example of 'non pro' attitudes. I don't think you will find a forum thread started by a 'pro' that complains about 'non pro' assholes on forums.

Thanks for keeping THIS thread polite!

@tonalt Ripple Training just brought out a new training course for Resolve 11, I'll be getting it, sure it must make lots clear, I got the editing in Resolve 11 one and it was very good.

http://www.rippletraining.com/categories/avid-adobe-davinci-courses/davinci-resolve-products/color-grading-in-davinci-resolve-11.html

EDIT: the media industry forums are full of internet a$$holes for some reason, but like Twitherb says, the a.holes are generally outnumbered by the helpful ones, and it depends on the moderation.

I think the worst is when somebody has a real problem that relates to one thing, and nobody even bothers to respond

I wouldn't say a$$holes. Most are pretty good about sharing knowledge. Guys that aren't willing to share knowledge probably are wasting their time on the forums. Why else go to forums but to share info? Blackmagic forum is especially crappy. Dreary atmosphere and unmotivated gururs..

They say find whatever you're good at, and do it for a living. So....

I love to share my knowledge. I choose to share with people who will understand the concepts or technicalities of what I am saying. If the person asking has not done any research and/or can not understand why certain things are done in the professional business, then I advise them to go and educate themselves. I am NOT obliged to hand over my experience for free (with a smile) to people who don't have the basic understanding of the subject. There was a recent case of this kind of thing in these forums. A user thought that a simple extra grading tool would be of great benefit for him in Resolve. No matter how many responses he received by well-meaning posters, explaining why it was unnecessary and even counter-productive, he insisted that Blackmagic should include it because other software has it, and he would find it useful. It kind of proves a point; once someone has made up their mind about something it is VERY hard to communicate. No offence intended to the poster I referred to above. Keep your mind open and adapt. That's how I stay alive. If a software package is not perfect, I change the way I work. I don't complain to other media people. I complain to the software maker. If I need advice from other media people, I try to let them know what my level of experience is, to assist them in answering me.

@Vitaliy I did NOT say or imply "Your attitude that newbies can be treated very differently and they somehow jump from newbies to professionals (I really do not know that this words mean exactly in this context) in their sleep are strange."

To sum up: If you fill pro forums with questions like "Why can't they make it the way I think it should be?" you won't make any friends.

Seriously though, as a pro who has spent my entire life working in the media biz, there are many non-pro people on forums who expect others to hand over their knowledge gained from years of working, when they have not read or researched for themselves.

Yes, people expect others to share their knowledge. Including one gained via years of hard work. This is how people society works.

Your attitude that newbies can be treated very differently and they somehow jump from newbies to professionals (I really do not know that this words mean exactly in this context) in their sleep are strange. If you see some "pro forum" where normal newbies are not welcomed and they somehow must go to special reservation it usually means that strong inner circle holds moderators positions and fully set policy, usually do not result in anything good :-)

It must be always a balance and warm welcome to new guys. Very hard to do and requires proper people with different attitude.

@Caveport

Bang on!