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Samsung NX1, $1300 4K flagman
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  • geoffcbasset I will have to check on that, I've noticed in the the previous firmware the vf wasn't wysiwyg in terms of aspect ratio. For now, all I can say it's the same tic tac toe overlay from the previous firmware that used to shut off once you hit REC.

  • One thing I just noticed in the Manual, it says that with a 3D Lens it can record 3D footage in 1080p. I wonder how that looks and if there is a way to export and edit the footage for 3D.

  • @ brianl, can you confirm scope 2.35:1 Overlays are now on the camera?

  • I just upgraded to 1.2, too, but the 3 gamma settings doesn´t work. I can´t realize any changes. I know, that I can´t use the gamma setting and the picture style wizard at the same time. I can´t set a gamma mode:-(

    Edit: My fault, I can only the the results in video preview mode. Now we have for each mode (photo and Video) a seperate picture-style on the fly. Nice ! :-)

  • I just upgraded to v1.2. So far, everything looks good. Yep, 3 gamma settings now. Haven't tested them yet so cannot comment much. By far the biggest thing with 1.2, and Samsung didn't mention this on the goody list, is that 1.2 fixes (at least after prelim testing) an incredibly annoying exposure drift bug. The NX1 used to hunt and drift its exposure in FULL MANUAL mode when panning or tilting from high exposure to low exposure areas. This was a topic of consternation among users, so much so that I famously demanded Vitaliy give me a Russian man hug to help me get through the stress induced by this bug. The camera was essentially unusable for serious shooting in video mode. My other favorite improvement in 1.2 is the overlays. Some might think it's lame, but I live by the rule of thirds, and prior to v1.2 the tic tac toe overlay would vanish when you hit REC. I didn't like that, but now it's solved. So, generally, Samsung has again upped its game and added some great new functionality to the NX1. UHD also has 24p mode instead of just 30p. I'll post more as I explore the new features.

  • @DMZ No problem, good to clarify that point. I weight them and here the comparison

    NX1: Body only: 635 gram With 16-50: 1278 gram 16-50: 643 gram

    GH4: Body only: 588 gram With 12-35: 955 gram 12-35: 367 gram

    Clearly to see, that the bodies are almost the same weight. Just the 16-50 is almost twice as heavy as the 12-35.

    Playd around last night some more. I really like the menu structur amd the graphics of the menu. Very easy and very clear.

    Interesting is the I-function of the 16-50. When you press this button (each time to switch) or the up down on the real wheel, you can adjust with the front ring the aperture, the ISO, +/- light compensation, white balance or magnification on the screen. This way you do not have to search for the different buttons of the body but have it all at one spot. Very clever.

    Getting the SD card out of the slot is a little difficult, for the lid is much closer to the slot than at the GH4. This way you do not have much space and to grab the SD card it is a little harder.

  • I mentioned the weight of the NX1 in comparison to GH4 because I see frequently that people, and reviewers, are saying that the NX1 is too heavy, instead to clarify that it is heavy only due to the lens.

    And NX system has more light pancakes (hope to see even more :-) ).

  • @AKED: I did not mean to criticize your post, I like what you wrote :). Perhaps I should have been more clear (well, it was before my morning coffee ...).

    I mentioned the weight of the NX1 in comparison to GH4 because I see frequently that people, and reviewers, are saying that the NX1 is too heavy, instead to clarify that it is heavy only due to the lens.

    I am looking forward you read more about your experience with the NX1 system in the future.

  • It'll be an interesting next few months. Panasonic's and Samsung's firmware updates should be here soon. I'll guess we'll see who ends up on top. Just from my casual observation, I haven't seen an NX1 video that's knocked my socks off yet. Love their direction and drive, though.

  • I ment the total weight of camera with 16-50 lens.

  • I got my NX1 in mid of December and I made the same observations - but my experience is mainly in stills photography. The only exception is the myth of the camera weight. The camera itself is not heavier than GH3/4 (550g vs 560g GH4 vs 550g GH3 - based on specs on dpreview.com). Most people think that probably because when they get it with the awesome 16-50mm F2-2.8 lens, than this setup feels, and is, quite heavy. But it is all the lens (a fast, pro zoom lens for 1.5x crop will never be as light as one for 2x crop).

    When I put a wide angle lenses on GH3 (7-14mm) and NX1 (12-24mm), the NX1 feels subjectively about the same or slightly lighter than the GH3. The NX1 feels better in had to me, so I like the slightly larger size (larger size but not heavier.

  • Hi

    I have received a test model of the NX1 for PV. I am new to Samsung, I only have all 4 GH cameras from Panasonic.

    I can only tell here my first my impressions about this camera how it handles etc. I have it here with the 16-50 2-2.8 lens which is great.

    When I got it out of the box it felt good. Heavy and the moneys worth. The lens is, of course compared to the Panasonic 12-35 huge and very heavy which makes it a little bit front heavy when you hold it for a longer time.

    The autofocus it great, responds fast and seemingly very reliable. I like the menu, which is clear and differnet modes are fast accessable. The screen is probably movable enough for overhead and on the ground pictures, but I am used to the 270° swivel of the GH series, so I feels a bit limited to me. Also, the screen is always on the back side, where the GH4 you can turn it towards the camera to protect it.

    The pictures in lower light with 1600 and 3200 ISO are great. Not a lot of noise, very nice, better than with the GH4 12-35.

    Through the APS-C sensor, the DOF is smaller which is nice.

    The different video settings are easy to change and maybe even faster than in the GH4.

    The videos do not playback with VLC but with the Zoom Player. But I can not import the to Edius, my editing system. To convert everything before using seems unpractical for me though.

    Used it again this afternoon and the handling is really nice. The buttons are placed nicely and I like the fact, that I can hit the replay button also with the right thumb. The video button on the other hand is a little harder to find with the index finger without looking and needs some practice. I like the fact, that you can use the same setting for video and photo, and that you do not have to switch in video mode for that.

    These are just s few things I saw when I used the NX1 a bit.

    If you have anything what I shall try or test for you, let me know.

  • If Panasonic is so afraid, why are they taking for every to send out the firmware update on the GH4?

    What you expect to see?

    Only thing holding me from this camera is lenses and figuring out how to adapt my Canon and Nikon glasses with it.

    Well, lenses are no problem. Their top zooms, 85mm, 60mm lenses are top notch. I also hope to see more of their pro F1.4 line.

    And adapters are no different to m43, work perfect.

  • If Panasonic is so afraid, why are they taking for every to send out the firmware update on the GH4? That update is literally gonna make it or break it for me. Only thing holding me from this camera is lenses and figuring out how to adapt my Canon and Nikon glasses with it.

  • Buts that's hella good deal Geoffbasset. I guess it's a response to gh4 price drop?

    Such deals are usually retailer idea. I think NX1 need more push due to Samsung image in photo area.

    Yet Panasonic takes this camera very seriously. As far as I got their mood - they are afraid, very afraid.

  • Don't get me wrong it's an amazing deal, just wanted people here to be aware that they will not receive it right away.

    Very much looking forward to receiving and using the camera. Believe it or not, what finally convinced me to buy is them adding in camera 2.35:1 crop guides. I shoot mainly for theater because I'm working at one where I handle video advertising, so that feature is a gigantic selling point for me.

  • Buts that's hella good deal Geoffbasset. I guess it's a response to gh4 price drop?

  • "Note that at http://www.adorama.com/bundles/ISGNX1 Adorama now includes fast Lexar 64Gb card and Rode Video Mic Pro. Same is also true for kits."

    Be aware when you add to cart it says "Please Note! This Item is on the way to our warehouse and is expected in a few days" but I received an email from them immediately after buying saying it's backordered.

  • Note that at http://www.adorama.com/bundles/ISGNX1 Adorama now includes fast Lexar 64Gb card and Rode Video Mic Pro. Same is also true for kits.

  • ... Talking about NX lenses ....

    I have the 12-24mm F4-5.6. It is sharp from corner to corner, low distortion, and great color. I am very pleased with it. The price is good for a pro-IQ UWA lens, even though it does not feel pro-made. Lots of plastic, but light weight and small for an UWA. It accepts filters, which is a great feature not all UWA's have.

    I am using it for stills, so I have no idea about its performance for video. Because of its weight, it may work well on stabilizer like the Nebula 4000.

    I paid $380 for a like-new one on eBay. It used to be for about $460 on Amazon, but now it is $529 :(. Still not too expensive for the IQ you get from it.

    http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-12-24mm-4-0-5-6-Camera-Black/dp/B00FB2XA18/ref=sr_1_27?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1421739836&sr=1-27&keywords=samsung+nx+lenses

  • @DMZ

    I have one, so I know :-) Yet price is not same for new lens. And for manual focusing video Samyang is much much better.

  • "Rokinon 35mm f/1.4 AS UMC Wide Angle Lens for Samsung NX is $235 on Amazon. Amazing price for such lens."

    ... Or, you can get 30mm F2.0 Samsung pancake lens for the same price. One stop slower, but tiny, light weight, and auto focus with in-camera distortion correction. Great options.

    http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-30mm-Pancake-lens-Cameras/dp/B003FWLGIK/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1421737101&sr=1-4&keywords=samsung+nx+lenses