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AVCHD: Stable settings
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  • @Butt FYI - I just tried those settings you posted (sete.zip), minus the PAL/NTSC switch and 30 min limit hacks (I have an NTSC GH2). When shooting my standard test (speaker grille - always pushes codec to max bitrate), 720p AVCHD (SH) would lock up the camera immediately with a card not fast enough error. Resulting files were 0 bytes. I had gotten the card too slow error before with 720p, but never had it locked up the camera and had always written at least a few seconds of video.
  • @kavadni "This goes on ad infinitum .. everytime I change recording quality menu, first attempt always fails .. 2nd is fine."

    I've observed the very same behavior.
  • Chris ..

    Good point .. the Transcend Class 10 20Mbit .. was new and not formatted.
    FYI: I am testing with 3 cards, the 20Mb Transcend and 30Mb and 45Mb Sandisks.

    I like the broken frames at the beginning .. I started as 16mm editor :)

    Kevin
  • Wow, I've never had a failure; and I'm doing some serious stress testing at 44M (double the default).

    A couple of things to consider: Make sure you format the SD card in the camera before you shoot. Don't erase clips in the camera (causes fragmentation). Make sure the SD card is OK. I've been using Transcend class 10 cards.

    The weirdness at the beginning is normal for now - just pretend you are shooting a high budget film with a Panavision or IMAX film camera - they take several seconds to get up to speed.

    Chris
  • Anecdotal bitrates and SD cards.

    Aplogies if not scientific enough. I have tried a variety of Kae and Butt settings at both 43Mbits and 65Mbits. All for me are useable .. couple of artefacts at the beginning of each clip, some wierdness in rear LCD panel.

    The only other thing I consistently observe is that the first time I attempt to record with a Transcend, I get card error, 2nd and consequent attempts work. Sandisk 45Mb works perfectly for me.

    Example:
    load 42 and35Mbit stable settings.
    Set camera on Tripod at contrasty speckled carpet half bright sun half shadow.
    Attempt to record at 42 .. card fails
    Attempt to record again .. records fine
    Switch to 35Mbits FH/FL ... attempt to record ... card fails
    Attempt to record .. records fine.

    This goes on ad infinitum .. everytime I change recording quality menu, first attempt always fails .. 2nd is fine.
    Apologies for lack of scientific method
    I tried it two days in a row.

    I get the same symptoms with the MJPEG settings by Lpowell.

    This is not a complaint, an observation that may point to something the camera does.
    I can only speculate that the camera might write something to disk with every format change that just overloads the speed of camera/card

    Kevin
  • @JDN
    GOP12
    average MBit ~28 - 32MBit
  • @Butt what is the GOP and mbps at 24h on the above patch?
  • in my opinion, the best patch at the moment - taking advantage of the efficiency of the codec
    (including 1080P MJPeg by LPowell and my 720p B-Frames Patch)

    sete.zip
    507B
  • Hello,

    i have a little question about the settings (i´m a noob...) . I have pulled the bitrate for 720p50 from 16 to 22 000000 and i think the colors are better. But i dont understand the GOP settings ? which GOP Settings are the best for me ? And now i need a good compromise that offers me mixture of datarate and image quality.

    ( I use the 720p50 mode of the GH2 becouse of the good image quality AND the good motion qulity, the 24p Modus is to stutter, if anyhone has some googd advices, your always welcome )

    regards Natalie
  • @Jar_Lu That is worrying. I'm not an expert but was this with movement in the picture? Even an unhacked GH2 in 24p will do up to 28mbps (max) on heavy movement.

    Are you sure you are measuring it correctly? What was it measuring before the hack?
  • need help. I tried many kinds of attached patch from here. No problems with the camera. But the Bitrate of the most AVCHD(24H&FSH) files I imported to Final Cut Pro X with no optimized and the original MTS files are around 10mbps~18mbps among them. Only few of them will be around 40mbps~50mbps when i use the 60mbps GOP3 patch, and none of them will over 30mbps if i use the suggested setting with nothing else touched. 24L&FS are around 8mbps suggested setting......

    My card is Sandisk Extreme 32g HD bought yesterday works great with the 100Mbps 1080p30 patch. When I don't know how to fix AVCHD bitrate Problem, I revert the camera to the Original settings. The AVCHD files bitrate are still 10~18mbps in 24H mode!! I tried my Transcend 32g class10, the result is the same. So I don't think it's the problem from card.

    it is really unhappy to see the bitrate is 11.xxmbps :(

    Please Help!
  • @ swen24
    I am trying out your settings. I use everything except the 30min limit, pal<->ntsc, 1080i50 top setting and 1080i50i bottom setting. I noticed that the mpeg mode is affected eventhough I have not touched any of the mpeg settings. What I noticed is that the number of minutes that I can record in mpeg mode per card is greatly reduced. By default, without any change in any setting for mpeg, I should get about 30 minutes of "HD" recording on an 8gb card.

    Have you noticed this also on your camera? If anyone else is trying out swen24's settings, do you noticed what I have described above?

    Thank for all your help.
  • Same here, no problem with Kae's last setting (60mbps Gop 3 in 24p) using Transcend 16go class 10. Footage of crowd and moving subject (subway and Paris by night) looks awsome, even at 1250 iso (!)
    Play perfectly on mpc AND VLC on my platform through (i7 Sandy B., GTX470, 16Go Ram).

    Greetz fly to Vitally and all testers (scuse my french !)
  • @BenjaminDUPLAIX
    use MediaPlayerClassic . . .
  • With my Transcend 16Go class 10, 60mbps GOP 3 is perfect. Much better than 42mbps. Actually, the bitrate is about 52mbps in 1080 24p. But, I can't read it with VLC.
  • towi@

    I will test your setting soon.

    How about to return at original FW, it is possible and how ?
  • "@towi - use ini files, zip them and attach to message."

    done
  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev
    OK and Thanks for the hint

    here a new Setting for 1080p =<32MBit, GOP6<br />
    and GOP30, 720p B-Frames (However, stability is an issue. If you record a 1080p @ 24 FPS video first and then record 720p @ 60 FPS stability returns.)
    setg.zip
    532B
  • @Butt
    Problems are mostly related to some software that can behave unpredictable looking at strange parameters in your clip :-)
    I am working on a fix (it is not hack bug, we need to change original code to make it work as intended).
  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev
    thank you - i have to change my settings(!)
  • @Butt

    I mean any bitrate number 24H or any other mode.
    All things that are over this limit could result in internal overflow and strange behaviour (sometimes) as result.
  • @KevinC
    i think, it looks great
    amazing work!!!
    thanks for setting-feetback
  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev
    >Good advisement.
    If you want really stable stuff, keep bitrate settings below 32Mbit.<<br />
    you mean bitrate 24H and bitrate FSH/SH settings below 32MBit?
  • @towi
    use ini files, zip them and attach to message.