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SANITY 4 and 5.1
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  • Ralph_BRalph_B

    I can't answer that, Paulo. I don't have a GH1.

  • paulopaulo

    Ralph, another question: do you agree that gh1 produce clear images and beautifull collors than gh2? I guess gh2 images, and specially the light, are too much 'controlled' . May I step back to gh1 ?... Thanks.

  • paulopaulo

    Because I just have this lenses and I want to hack my gh2 with sanity 5. I'm working with a ecologic documentary in Brazil and I have not much money to expend with other lenses. In the future I would like to get anamorphic lenses. Next week I'll test Sanity 5. Thanks!

  • Ralph_BRalph_B

    @L1N3ARX - Cool. You did a nice job of finding focus.

    @paulo - All lenses work with Sanity. Why would you think otherwise?

  • paulopaulo

    The stock lenses 14-42 works with Sanity 5?

  • L1N3ARXL1N3ARX

    @Ralph_B It's just the sigma 30mm 1.4, manual focus. I tried the lumix 20mm AF once... never again.

  • Ralph_BRalph_B

    @L1N3ARX

    BTW, which lens did you use? Was that on autofocus, or were you manually focusing?

  • L1N3ARXL1N3ARX

    @Ralph_B ... oh shit... lol, I feel like a dumbass now haha. I'd like to say that it's cause I'm drunk or tired, but I'm neither... ugh so sad.

    Ah, just realized I only made the mistake on the image I wanted to use for the thumbnail; thought I actually put 'santy' on the vid itself ha.

  • Ralph_BRalph_B

    Today, I tried Sanity V5 for the first time, and damn. This patch is killing it. I feel like I'm essentially extracting the same amount of detail as all the high bit rate patches I've used in the past, but with excellent shadow detail and very smooth motion. Wish I would have discovered this before! And goddamn, the files are so tiny it's... just... so nice. More people need to seriously give this patch a shot.

    Man, L1N3ARX, thank you for saying it. This is exactly what I set out to achieve with Sanity. Glad you're enjoying it.

    PS: You mispelled "Sanity" :)

  • L1N3ARXL1N3ARX

    Yeah, I'll probably start reading about the patch soon enough. I do like the approach of a patch made for absolute dependability, but not necessarily compromised in quality.

    Here was the first thing I shot; kind of lame, but didn't have much time to do anything more interesting. Suffice it to say, I'm loving the patch so far. Plan on doing a better test maybe tomorrow or Sunday.

  • peternappeternap

    @L1N3ARX Sometime when you have a few minutes, you should read every post in this thread. I've been a fan of Sanity for a very long time. I don't use it all the time but never feel underguned when I do.

    Tomorrow night I have to shoot in another of those "NO PROFESSIONAL CAMERA" venues and Sanity5 will be what the GH2 will have in it. I'm old enough to get away with one of those four footed walker canes. I have a handlebar mount I'll snap on once I sit down, focus and expose on the stage and let it run. As long as I keep fresh batteries in the camera, Sanity5 will give me trouble free, high quality video.

  • L1N3ARXL1N3ARX

    Well I gotta say, after starting out with Driftwood patches, and getting hooked on super high bit rates, my journey has led me to discover other patches which provide smooth motion but consistent shadow detail. Until now, I've been using the Flow Motion v2.02 patch but started noticing an odd diagonal noise pattern in all of my footage, especially in the shadows and underexposed skin tones.

    Today, I tried Sanity V5 for the first time, and damn. This patch is killing it. I feel like I'm essentially extracting the same amount of detail as all the high bit rate patches I've used in the past, but with excellent shadow detail and very smooth motion. Wish I would have discovered this before! And goddamn, the files are so tiny it's... just... so nice. More people need to seriously give this patch a shot.

  • gottuegottue

    @FilmingArt

    i'll definitely be picking up the appropriate gears as the time comes. thanks for the honest feedback!

  • FilmingArtFilmingArt

    @gottue

    First and foremost I think you captured the even great, good pacing and concept......

    The first and main problem is stabilizing your footage, to much shaky camera. This is one of the main things that separates decent footage towards excellent and professional. I would suggest using at least a monopod to stabilize your camera's footage. Then you can look into other options.

    Grading, don't even think about grading until you can light your subjects and with on the fly shooting it is very difficult. I would suggest using an on camera led light as well as someone else helping you with an led light or two to light your scenes. This is the easiest way to light on the fly and keep it moving.

    The quality was good and you had nice colors in the sky, my main knock is to much shaky camera footage and you need to find a way to light better. Overall good for family and capturing the day, but if you grow and expand you can begin to get paid for this art.

  • gottuegottue

    this is our first video put together on the gh2 with sanity 5. i'm hoping to receive some constructive criticisms from the professionals on this site to learn more about videography. everything was shot on the fly with no preparations. however, i'm more concerned with the editing, color grading, and learning about proper lighting. sorry for being so general, but any advice is greatly appreciated.

    Thanks to VK and Ralph_B and all the contributors on this forum for making this possible. Cheers!

  • Ralph_BRalph_B

    @ arvidtp and Daniel_R

    What arvidtp says is true. HBR is definitely treated as interlace by the compressor. The finest detail in HBR is sort of half way between interlace and progressive, even though the picture is true progressive. It's just the way it is.

    Daniel_R, one thing you might try, is turning up in-camera sharpness when shooting HBR.

  • arvidtparvidtp

    I've got a feeling (though people have disagreed with me) that HBR, while not interlaced, is treated as interlaced by the H.264 compressor and therefore every other line is macroblocked together (compressor assuming every other line is from the same 'frame') rather than adjacent lines being macroblocked together (as in progressive). This seems to lead to alternating "frilly" edges that look a little like interlaced (and effectively reduce the vertical resolution), but if you do a fast pan, the images in the two 'fields' never separate very far horizontally, so are indeed from the same frame originally, just treated wrong in the compression.

    Basically i think the h.264 compression is not 'understanding' that the odd and even lines belong to the same frame and therefore not concerned with maintaining visual continuity between adjacent horizontal lines.

    This seems constant with the fact that HBR is 'Malignant' PsF - ie does not notify editing software that it is actually progressive and is instead treated as interlaced unless you manually tell your NLE to treat it as progressive.

  • Daniel_RDaniel_R

    First image, just sky line... 400iso, shutter speed 50. This is in HBR mode with a 28mm FD lens. Second image of the car... about 500iso, shutter speed 50, in 24h mode.

    Maybe I'm nitpicky, but I see some softness there. Possible that the HBR mode is interlaced footage, and thats why I'm seeing softness.

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  • Daniel_RDaniel_R

    I'm noticing a hellova lot of difference between 24 and 25p with quality by the way, in Sanity 5. I don't really know how to explain it... but 24p (as in 24h) is more detailed than HBR mode.

    Any idea why that is? I'm just curious.

  • Ralph_BRalph_B

    @ Daniel_R

    Sanity 5 works well for spanning in HBR mode, but you must use a third party manual lens. It won't span reliably in HBR with Panasonic and Olympus lenses which connect electrically to the camera. Also, don't go above ISO 3200. The Sandisk 45mb/s cards can sometimes be a problem. They work fine for some people, and not so fine for others. I would encourage you to run tests before you go out and shoot anything that's important.

    As for in-camera playback, we don't know why some files play and others don't. However, they're all recorded and playback fine once you transfer them to your computer.

    There's nothing special to do for shooting in PAL. Sanity is transparent. Just do what you normally do, and enjoy a great picture!

  • Daniel_RDaniel_R

    @Ralph_B, I'm curious... how well does spanning work in Sanity 5? I was using Sanity 4.1 for a while, but I'm finding in HBR (25fps) I can span sometimes 2-3 times before filming stops. I need spanning for my Sandisk 45mb/s Class 10's on live performance shoots. I can't leave the GH2 alone, I have to monitor it at all times incase footage doesn't span.

    Also, something I am noticing is that the camera will sometimes not play the first and second video file I create (saying "This file cannot be played") but plays the others just fine.

    What tips do you give someone who's shooting in PAL country with your hack. I have some video work this weekend which requires me to shoot about an hours worth of footage, then starting Sunday I will be working on a web series (I intend to shoot in 24p for that one...). But any tips you can give me would be handy.

    Thanks!!!

  • SuperSetSuperSet

    Appreciate the feedback guys. Maybe this question is obvious to some but I'll ask anyway.. since Apocalypse turns out larger files than Sanity, does this mean render times are substantially longer?

  • peternappeternap

    @SuperSet If I could give my humble take on it. 1st IMO, bitrate certainly makes a difference but around 60 0r 70 you get diminishing returns.

    2nd, I do see a difference in the settings. Sanity is a solid video reproduction of what the camera sees. Sanity has always been easier to cut in with my camcorders. Many of the other settings like Boom are cinematic which to me means the setting itself starts the grading on it's way right out of the camera. I'm not talented enough to know if that's a good thing or not, it's just different.

  • Ralph_BRalph_B

    @ SuperSet

    In the end, you have to trust your own eyes. But I will say this - when I developed Sanity I was constantly comparing it to the the uncompressed HDMI output, and Sanity is close, really close to it. Since no patch can be better than the uncompressed picture, there is not going to be much difference between Sanity and anything else out there.

  • Ralph_BRalph_B

    @ peternap

    As far as I know, ptools has no settings to change anything in photo mode. So, this would apply to all patches.

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