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Yes, and iPhone was also Sony idea :-)
  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

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    For its part, Apple‘s ―revolutionary iPhone design was derived from the designs of a competitor—Sony. In February 2006, before the claimed iPhone design was conceived of, Apple executive Tony Fadell circulated a news article to Steve Jobs, Jonathan Ive and others. In the article, a Sony designer discussed Sony designs for portable electronic devices that lacked buttons and other ―excessive ornamentation fit in the hand, were ―square with a screen and had ―corners [which] have been rounded out. Right after this article was circulated internally, Apple industrial designer Shin Nishibori was directed to prepare a ―Sony-like design for an Apple phone and then had CAD drawings and a three-dimensional model prepared.

    From: http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1257891/Samsung_unredacted_trial_brief.pdf

    I also like some parts:

    Apple seeks to stifle legitimate competition and limit consumer choice to maintain its historically exorbitant profits. Android phones manufactured by Samsung and other companies – all of which Apple has also serially sued in numerous forums worldwide -- offer consumers a more flexible, open operating system with greater product choices at a variety of price points as an alternative to Apple‘s single, expensive and closed-system devices.

    Apple relied heavily on Samsung‘s technology to enter the telecommunications space, and it continues to use Samsung‘s technology to this day in its iPhone and iPad products. For example, Samsung supplies the flash memory, main memory, and application processor for the iPhone. Samsung also manufactures Apple‘s A5X processor and is the sole supplier of the Retina display used in the new iPad. But Apple also uses patented Samsung technology that it has not paid for.

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  • luxisluxis

    iSony ; )

    http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4032/4385161367_2a1850bf7b.jpg

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    To Apple lawyers:

    "I mean come on. 75 pages! 75 pages! You want me to do an order on 75 pages, (and) unless you're smoking crack, you know these witnesses aren't going to be called when you have less than four hours," Koh said.

    Via: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57494755-37/judge-says-apples-smoking-crack-with-giant-witness-list/

  • DrDaveDrDave

    I think the big thing they did is to promote compressed music, which is basically convincing the entire world to eat freeze-dried food. Yuck! Take me back to at least the level of CD tech from forty years ago. It would be a different world if they had decided to really make sure that musicians get some of the money from the frozen food that is sold. Sadly, only a fraction, if any, goes to the artists.

  • shriggshrigg

    imo, VISION and TIMING are the two things that set Apple apart from every other company and allowed them to change consumer electronics forever.

  • matthewcarrmatthewcarr

    @bwhitz Yeah, the design seems pretty intuitive. The success is because of the Apple culture. People already bought into an iPod so why not an iPhone and then why not an iPad, iCar, iHouse...

  • DrDaveDrDave

    What is amazing is that they borrowed, or swiped, or whatever, everything for many of their products, then turn around and sue people for "stealing" their ideas. Where would we be without the mouse? And Apple did not invent it. I mean, come on. Puhhhhleeeeeeze.

  • mintcheeriosmintcheerios

    I'm pretty late to this, but this case is looking pretty dramatic. The Sony design was drawn by an Apple designer, but the idea was taken from a Sony designer. I don't think this is the most damning case against Apple, but the F700 incident should be raised.

    Samsung missed the deadline to present this evidence which is why Judge Koh wouldn't allow it to appear in court (you'd think with an elite legal team, they at least get their shit in on time).

    Apparently Apple was showing the jury various Samsung phones that were allegedly copying the iPhone. One of the phones was the Samsung F700 because it was rectangular, had rounded corners, a raised bezel, and a single multi-function button at the bottom. The only problem was that it pre-dated the iPhone and was already patented. So Apple thought "oh, shit" and removed it from future presentations. When Samsung wanted to bring in the designer of the F700 to testify, Apple said it wasn't relevant to the case and the judge agreed barring the designer from court. Apple says the F700 isn't relevant to the case, yet it put that very same phone on their presentations accusing Samsung of copying the iPhone.

    Since the court barred this evidence from court, Samsung decided to spread it through the media landing in places like this forum. While this wasn't illegal. it pissed off Apple and Judge Koh. It seems Samsung needed the jurors to know about this at any cost.

    Apple made the best product of its time, but none of their ideas were new. Now competitors have caught up and instead of increasing their specs or lowering their prices, they're trying to get competing phones banned from the market. I just can't get behind Apple on this one.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @Promit

    I always advise to actually read the thing you are discussing :-)

  • PromitPromit

    http://www.electronista.com/articles/12/07/27/samsung.filing.claims.apple.copied.sony.for.iphone.design/ It appears that the "stolen" Sony design is actually an internal Apple idea of what phone Sony WOULD design. So despite the Sony logo, it's an Apple design.

    Not to defend Apple, but Samsung's not on firm ground by any stretch.

  • bwhitzbwhitz

    This is really stupid. What in the hell else would a touch-screen device like this look like... a hexagon or a circle? It's a fucking rectangle with rounded corners and a speaker on it. Both the iphone and the sony device are not "designs"... they are just what a device without key-inputs looks like ... give me a break!

  • shianshian

    I don't know who to believe, I'm just saying. i just feel this is a pointless discussion because it seems anybody can fabricate "evidence" any time they like.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @shian

    It is a trial documents. As I believe Samsung, as they clearly stated that they could present internal designs and it was Sony inspired article and prototype that changed direction.
    As for Apple claims, all they did is that they found one design prototype, one out of thousands, and told that this was the real foundation.

  • shianshian

    Don't believe everything you read. Apple just released prototype pictures "proving" they had their design prior to Sony "unknown digital device"

    http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/30/3201162/apple-refutes-claim-they-cribbed-notes-from-sony-reveal-prototype

  • TakumarTakumar

    Just to add to the irony of it all, Kodak invented the digital camera but never persued it...

  • vladnikvladnik

    exactly...

  • rikyxxxrikyxxx

    Bananas? There is always something better at a cheaper price. ALWAYS. It is too bad that most people purchase fruit names, not the fruits themselves.

    :-)

  • MimirsanMimirsan

    Apples or Oranges...different types of fruit.

    I like Bananas myself :-)

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    I just can not understand why this is so sesitive with Apple always.

    It is just a reality, so we need to live with it. :-)

  • otcxotcx

    I just can not understand why this is so sesitive with Apple always. Some people like Apple some do not it is that simple. Also other companys steall ideas from others.

  • vladnikvladnik

    you are right Vitaliy ...its just a gadget company ...phones , tablets and music players ... there are much more interesting technologies we could talk about ... and i didn't say they kill kodak but they act as a vulchers ...and Jobs save Apple with Bill money ...

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Want to remind that this is not pro or anti Apple topic :-)

  • rikyxxxrikyxxx

    No, Apple was saved by Jobs, they didn't kill kodak (no need for it) they don't slow tech progress and in our best interest they need to stay and go on innovating like they did in the last 10 years.

    Do you remember pre-iphone smartphones? Low quality hardware together with a painful to use OS/interface and a 200 or 300 pages manual to read. Prices? As high as the iPhone and even more.

    But now those days have gone by and you can get an excellent Samsung Galaxy SIII with an excellent Android OS. Thanks to Apple.

  • vladnikvladnik

    @rikyxxx It's been a lot of years since the fist one said "a meteorite is coming on Apple" , yeah but then it was saved by Bill Gates :) ..and i didn't say Apple=marketing i say Apple=cult so there is a difference .....for me Apple was just one of tech company i didn't hated them , i just didn't care ... but now they become bully's of computer world ... they even sued Kodak for patents(kicking a half dead ) ... they try to slow and control tech progress same as GM in 1960 ...in our best interest ,they need to go ....

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @JanH

    First, you need to lie in interviews and books, and after your competitor catched you, you need to find "Purple". I think the name is symbolic :-)

  • JanHJanH

    Quote from an Appleinsider article today:

    "Countering Samsung's allegations that the iPhone borrowed design elements from Sony, Apple has revealed an iPhone prototype dating back to 2005 that shares many design elements with the iPhone 4 released in 2010.

    Referred to internally as "Purple," the prototype created in August 2005 was revealed in new court documents in the Apple-Samsung lawsuit, which is set to kick off in court today. The filing, highlighted by The Verge on Monday, shows a white iPhone dominated by a touchscreen on the front, with a home button below the display that reads "Menu.""

    "Check"

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