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Which settings for GH2 concert recording (classical)?
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  • @DrDave - all great suggestions! Thank you so much again. I will see what the lighting person can do. I have actually shot video there in the past with my 60D. It looked pretty even. But the GH2's might be a bit different.

    The recording engineer is giving me 2 uncompressed WAV files of both parts of the concert. Final Cut Pro X can sync them up automatically with my clips (and the on-board audio) and even creates new clips with the clean audio. It really works like magic. I have done that before. Quite remarkable. No matter how short or how long a clip is - FCP X finds it and puts it in the right place.

    I"ll look into the G10. Excellent tip! Thanks again. I really have come to the right place here. Your suggestions have brought up some very good points. I'll try to put as many of them into action as possible!

  • Sounds like fun. You actually do not want lighting from above, if you think of a photoshoot you want the lighting to be from level and slightly above with not to many harsh shadows. Top down lighting will create an odd snow cone effect and grey on black on the wide shots of the full orchestra. See if you can meet with the lighting person to get some nice side lights going. It is OK to have the conductor score blown out, but again, with a G10--which you could rent for a day--you can get a wider dynamic range, or use the touch screen to use exposure tracking for the conductor and the score. The conductors score is in a really bad place, so it will be the first to go "over" Last thing I would say is, either use the stock firmware on one cam, or go with a patch that you have tested and retested for spanning. I just can't see the advantage of super high bitrates at the risk of the card crashing, plus the IQ will be essentially the same--flowmotion at the lowest setting will double you bitrate from stock (12-15 indoors) to 30, which is plenty for what you are doing, except for maybe tymp rolls. In post, if you set your levels to capture superwhites you can maybe restore some of those details.

    Ask for a feed from the recording engineer either for a flash recorder (recommended) or direct to the safety cam.

  • Wow guys, this is impressive feedback! Thank you so much, @balazer, @DrDave, @Mark_the_Harp.

    I will do some testing this weekend with Cake v2.0 vs. Flowmotion. The new Cake does sound great. A big improvement over the previous versions from what I could see in the sample video.

    I will use three cameras - the two GH2s will be more or less my lock-down cameras. I'll also use a Canon for close-up work - a 60D (which I have used successfully in the past at this loaction) Luckily the intimate concert hall (Zipper Hall in Los Angeles http://s3.amazonaws.com/pa-spaces.production/attachments/950/Zipper%20Hall%20piano%20wide%20angle%203x5.slide.jpg?1300312961) is gorgeous, light-brown wood interior, the players are going to be all young (no problems with gray hair!) and the lighting is beautifully soft and even from above - no harsh or uneven spots on certain groups of players. It's a dream location. There is stadium seating and from the back of the (small) theater you get a nice elevated look of the entire orchestra. There are no harsh reflections on any instruments (thanks to the soft overhead lighting) and the only thing that's really blowing out is the conductor's score, but there is not much I can do about that.

    I won't be able to walk around and I can't do super close-ups of single instruments and players. I only need some good general coverage with 3 angles to keep the editing interesting. I'd love to do a 5-6 camera shoot one day for the kind of projects @DrDave is talking about. My coverage is just one element for a short documentary and at the same time, it'll be a document for this orchestra.

    The sound will be professionally recorded by the concert hall's technician. And I'll record pilot audio with all my cameras. And I am really looking forward to the new multicam feature in Final Cut Pro X. I love this app for sycing up audio with picture. Apple really had DSLR shooters in mind when they created it.

  • @THX1965 DrDave's classical music videos are fab, and his experience shows. Really good advice.

    I have similar experience, and recently used a GH2 and two Canon XHA1 HDV camcorders for a band recording (which also had me playing harp and other stringed instruments, but with wilder LED lighting).

    I used the GH2 as the locked-off camera using the 14-140 lens. I just needed a sharp picture as an establishing shot / fallback shot, and that did its job. I used the 66mb patch on ISO 320 but forgot to do the "start at the middle row thing" when selecting the ISO so ended up with more noise than I would have liked. D'oh! But it spanned and I just ran an entire card for each 45 minute segment of the gig. In between, I dumped the card video onto my PC which I was using to record 24-track audio.

    Sounds obvious, but do get on-camera sound on ALL cameras so you can sync up afterwards with your main high-quality audio recording.

    I would also second what he says about using other cameras on the orchestra. I was amazed that the Canons I have (3CCD) were actually better than the GH2 - not only were the pictures better in low stage lighting (often wild single colours, LED style) but also you need something you can point and focus quickly to get different shots - you need minimal time between shots, like about half a second if you can, otherwise you might end up with compromises in editing. The GH2 doesn't really cut it for speed of focus, sharpness of viewfinder or general usability in these situations, and I wouldn't recommend it for roving camera coverage, not even if you have two of them.

    Not to say I don't worship my GH2 but not for stuff like you are contemplating, except as a locked-off camera.

  • The Gh2, although an excellent camera in many respects, has a few limitations when it comes to a classical orchestra. There are some serious aliasing issues with long strings such as double bass, harp, cello, and so on. Having said that, I like Flowmotion for say passaggi in the strings or tympani rolls. At its lowest setting, expect bitrates of say 32-35 for an Orchestra in Flowmotion under lights--you can get the concert on a 32gb. Hopefully. Orchestras classically blow out the highlights--sweaty, pale musicians, often with grey hair. So you will have some tough exposure choices. I consider it acceptable to overexpose the musical scores on wide shots but not on closeups. The GH2 does not have the dynamic range to cover the black to white of an orchestra under lights unless you totally nail the exposure. Would not go above 640 ISO. You will need more than one cam, and I recommend the Vixia HF G10 as a second cam instead of two GH2s. You will get realistic tone from the wood surfaces of the instruments and no stair-stepping on the strings, plus it has the extra dynamic range you need. Lastly, you will get the rock solid IS for any handheld shots or focus tracking you may want to do. Exposure tracking is very handy for orchestra work, and if there is no light on the face of the conductor you will need to push gain, which the GH2 won't do. The GH2, placed for a wide, full orchestra shot, will give you all that super, super sharp resolution which you will need for a full stage of complex objects--when paired with a 20mm or 45mm or Vivitar 55mm if you don't have one of the fancy primes. You will need a good prime lens. The conductor will be backlit, so figure that in if you need some vid of the front of the conductor. Ask for a "special" or bring a light. If it is a full size orchestra, and I mean full size, you may need to go with the 14mm from the 14-45, maybe with the contact taped over, or better yet the 12mm. Make sure your NR and contrast are dialed down all the way, and that sats are reasonable. If you have strong lighting, you will need to aim low on the expo, so don't dial the sats down all the way. I normally use five-six cams for orchestra, you can do it with two, but it will take some planning to get a convincing result. Three would be better, two rovers and a "safety". Orchestras are a top-down scene. If you look at a violin straight on, you see an edge. You will need some elevation to video the instruments and clear the music stands, which will be Manhassetts--fairly tall. Large reflective surfaces, such as a newer cellos or brass, can create a flashlight effect if moved slightly, so check all the lighting angles ahead of time.

  • My new Cake v2.0 is designed for exactly this kind of shooting. I'd be pleased if you would try it out. I can't say I've shot any concerts with the settings - they're brand new. Your 64-GB card will give about 143 minutes of recording time in 24p with Cake v2.

    VBR or CBR is of little matter. You care about quality, reliability, and recording time.

    Be sure you know how to work around the "file number limit exceeded" bug that sometimes happens with SDXC cards in the GH2: after spanning and before turning the camera off, record a short clip. You'll need to do that during intermission so you don't get screwed for the second half. If it were me, I'd rather have two 32-GB cards than one 64-GB card for this kind of shoot.

    It would be a good idea to have spare batteries on-hand. Depending on how you're shooting, you might not get much more than 90 minutes from a battery.