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ColorGHear TOOLKIT- color grading SYSTEM for AE
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  • @shian Adobe-> AFX -> Premiere. Natural evolution and simple way to improve your business.

  • @jshzr No. avoid linear. Work in the default, just make sure you calibrate your monitor.

  • @shian ah, my bad.. I assumed only premiere had it. Ignore my previous question! :)

    (I don't need to get ahead of myself in the project.)

  • @everyone So after what seems like hundreds of long, frustrating hours trying to figure out a way to turn FCP X into a pro color platform, I have given up. The best I can do is create a bunch of looks, and package them into what I'm calling "ColorGHear Lite." There are no curves adjustments, and no way to apply a modular grade to the footage (well, there is, but it's prohibitively time consuming and processor intensive, and doesn't yield anything approaching the quality of CGT for AFX)

    So my question is; would there be any interest in a group of presets for FCP X, along with tutorials for using them in conjunction with secondary corrections and the basic FX included with the software to get the most out of FCP X's color tools, for around $25 ($15 for current users)?

    It won't give you the power and flexibility of CGT for AFX, but it might help you get more out of FCP X than you are already getting.

    (If there's no interest, then I won't bother putting in anymore time on this.)

    On a brighter note, I have to admit, now that I'm used to the interface, I can edit twice as fast with X than with FCP7. I hated X when I first started using it. I mean REALLY HATED IT. But in many ways it's a giant leap forward in terms of editing simplicity, and media management. You just have to accept that it is a complete redesign, very little of what you knew from previous versions is present in the new design. So you have to learn an entirely new system.

  • @RRRR I'm assuming you're not referring to the Cineon converter in AE which just converts log to linear and vice versa. Because other than that, I don't know what you mean.

  • @Shian I'm curious if you've tried out the Cineon converter in cs5.5? I'm currently editing a project and I'm thinking about the best / easiest way to export for grading in AE..

  • @Shian Hi Shian, was curious about your workflow for the GH2 Files. I understand that you edit with 32 bit per channel under the Color Settings, but which Working Space do you select? Should we be using HDTV (Rec. 709)?

  • Re: "(That guy from Musgo he never answered on his grading.)"

    @johnnym vesubio gave some insight into his CC on Musgo here: http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/1623/perhaps-the-first-full-feature-movie-on-the-hacked-gh2/p2 (3rd post down), as well as pre/post CC stills near the bottom of the page.

  • @Shain, great work man. Cant wait to it, let us know when it is going to air so we can all take a look. Can't wait for the film school videos, learned so much from your videos thus far. If you ever need a hand on set, feel free to PM me, I would love the experience.

  • Great answer, thanks man. I'll check if some of those old Speed Panchros can get you near the S4. By the way, that short film with the car cam (and the trees) looked absolutely amazing i thought.

  • @johnnym I'm not upset. Just explaining myself.

    I like that you are aspiring to achieve something akin to Deakins's work. You'll eventually discover everything I'm about to tell you for yourself --- As you gain access to quality gear, you'll find there's a reason it's so pricey. A simple set of CP2 Primes is in a completely different league from my modest Nikon glass. Move up to the Zeis Master Primes, and the Super Speeds, and you've moved into a another class. THEN start comparing that super-expensive glass to Cooke S4's, and Panavision Lenses, and you begin to see that 50% of that look you are searching for is coming from that glass, another 25% from the characteristics of the recording media (be it film, Alexa, RED) and the final %25 is the artist.

    Now with that: that final 25% chunk is the most important to getting something unique and beautiful, but even inept lighting shot with expensive glass, with a 4K 4:4:4 medium will still look pretty damn good. When I first started (and when I first started I was completely inept) I was shooting album covers, and publicity photos for my musician friends on 35mm film. And the film was so forgiving that I somehow managed to make stuff people liked, and would pay for, and I naively thought I could do the same with Digital Video and start making movies. I was wrong, and it was then that I had to learn my craft. And I like that I've learned to make the low end equipment look decent, because I know with the high-end stuff I can make magic. It's like learning to play guitar on that beater you bought at the pawn shop for $100, and then finally getting to play a $3000 PRS, and the thing almost plays itself, and sounds heavenly.

    Get as close to what you want to do with the equipment you've got, build yourself a workshop and spend every moment you can playing with your medium. Shoot, analyze, make corrections, shoot again, revise...learn, shoot again, and you'll eventually get there, but with the understanding that there's a reason the High-end stuff looks the way it does. And hopefully when your opportunity to prove yourself comes you'll be ready to shine.

    But to answer your question, with the same lenses, and the same lighting and exposure, absolutely. But don't expect to get that look with lo-end glass. If Deakins shot with the GH2, Panavision Lenses, and his lighting and expertise, it would look like his stuff - minus the characteristics of the higher-end medium.

  • @shian Fair enough. I didn't mean this as criticism (but rather cheeky), so i'm sorry i came across that way. I just wonder if something like Roger Deakins is possible with a GH2. You're pretty much the only person i know with enough experience to say. (That guy from Musgo he never answered on his grading.)

  • @johnnym -- I can't make everybody happy. I don't do less contrasty (read: boring) I don't get hired to do it, it's other people's thing. For me to be engaged in my job on-set, and actually care about the gig, it can't be boring. I have to love what I'm seeing. So I neither apply for, nor market myself to those who want that look. There are plenty of other DPs doing less contrasty work. They're better at it, they enjoy it, and they tend not to stand out from the crowd. (By that I mean, there are so many people doing it, that it's hard to be unique in a sea of boring... Beautiful, but boring.)

    I got the gig I recently booked BECAUSE my stuff is heavily stylized and contrasty. It was what they were looking for. They wanted a new look for their show. They got a glimpse at the RED footage I referred to in my last response to you, which was my best work yet, they were blown away by it, asked who did it, did a little research on me, got my number and called me in.

    Stand apart from the crowd... Or don't... It's up to you.

  • @shian The new reel looks great! Yet i wonder if some less contrasty grades would perhaps add to the diversity? :)

  • @magnus387 Awesome, man. It's really great that you are just taking CGT and running with it. I can't wait to see the finished video.

  • @shian ,

    PM'd with an update, but thought I'd post a before and after grab to your thread as well. Hope you enjoy.

    Ignore, the darker processed image. Was having monitor problems, and now for some reason it won't let me delete the attached image.

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  • heheh nice girls ;D cant wait to get some tips on that experience!

  • ummmm, lucky dog :)

  • That's fantastic news! Congrats to you, Shian!!

  • My new gig, at least for the next 2 weeks. DPing the season 2 finale.

    Proof that hard work and perseverance pay off...and a little talent doesn't hurt.

    I wish I could document the process so you could see what its like to work on something this big, but I just signed paperwork prohibiting that. I will definitely try to at least share everything I learn shooting this thing in the Film School Series.

  • He secretly says. Ha ha :)

  • @shian: Is this patented process called Dynamic Rounding by any chance? Just stumbled upon it. I am battleing banding stuff myself. Lots of sky/ocean shots with overcast skies, fine gradients. Lovely light but hard to grade.

  • I really can't wait for the CGT Film School! I hope it will come very soon. Your tips are amazing - can't wait to see them on video - on the set.

  • @shian Thanks shian. That is interesting... will get some white balls at the home depot today! Amazing that this lighting method is so cheap yet convincing. I've read somewhere those china balls got used in the Harry Potter series too and I love the lighting in those.

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