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** FCP Update 2012 ** 10.0.3
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  • @5thwall is your mac pro the octocore?

  • @010101 Thanks for the kind words. I completely agree and I think we're on the same page. Had a funny feeling that Steve's health had something to do with the way it was announced. It kind of feels like they are figuring out how to do business again since his passing.

    I spent the day with 10.0.3 and I can say that it's more stable but still not ready for prime time for me. On my Dual dual-core 3Ghz tower with 8GB ram and a 1GB nvidia card with cuda, it's sluggish with broadcast video output through my Kona 3. The AJA drivers released today are betas, though, so I'll keep checking to see when they update those.

    I purchased Philip Hodgetts' 7toX and I can say that, for the most part, it works. A little buggy in terms of what comes over. But, he is actively fixing it. If you have a simple timeline, it looks like it will do the job. it will also bring over an entire project which is quite nice.

  • @5thwall, It's great to have your wisdom in this community. I am coming from film too ( 16mm Bolex, K3 ). Then came the age of digital and they shoved down my throat the Avid thing in school. Using Avid always felt like swallowing large dry pills. After school I even borrowed money and bought an Avid system. It eventually paid itself off and i never upgraded it and replaced it with FinalCut and Firewire Blue & White G3 Mac. It wasn't perfect- far from it, It wasn't pro, it lacked features, freezes .... , but boy it was fun to cut with and it felt Apple was listening. Do you remember the snobs at Avid and how they provided support. FinalCut pro grew to a giant in a few years but it had problems. It was sad that we had to let it go and it is great that Apple is replacing it with another great thing.

    I have been cutting non-paying jobs with FCPX and it brings back all the good memories of the early days of FCP. That said, I pay the rent with FCP7, Adobe PP CS5.5, Adobe AE, Smoke and some other compositing and 3D applications. I have to admit as limited FCPX is ( was ) at this stage, it has brought back the fun to my work.

    You are right on the issue of releasing the FCPX in such a basic level. I heard through the grapevine that Apple rushed two projects out to the open before Steve Jobs's passing away. The iPhone 5 became 4s because they were not ready for full implementation of Siri and FCPX was really rushed at almost Beta stage because Steve Job's health suddenly went out of control and his life was ending within months. The iPhone and FinalCut Pro always remained Steve Jobs babies and they didn't want him leave with those two projects in limbo.

    All and all I think FCPX is the future. Apple will complete the project and a lot of people will produce masters' work with it soon enough. It's sad to see a few jumping ship but that's life - it goes on.

  • You're all wrong. Windows Movie Maker FTW.

  • Hoping to add some clarity to all this. As an editor of over 10 years and an "avid" FCP editor since v1.25, I can say that I was appalled when I saw X revealed at NAB last year. Since then, I have become more neutral on the topic. There are features in X that I really like and there are features that I absolutely hate.

    The success of an editing app, for me, is all about the timeline. I am not a fan of the magnetic timeline, but I do see some potential there. However, when I see workflow tutorials like this one, I get a little happier about the future of X: http://library.creativecow.net/payton_t/FCPX_Editing-During-Playback/1

    I've said this on other forums, especially over at Creative Cow, but my biggest gripe is how Apple marketed and released X. As someone who has made a career off of FCP (and fought long and hard using my battle-earned skills) I felt like its release was a major body-blow. I'm not referring to its lack of features when it was released, rather I'm talking about it's potential effect on my income.

    I'm open to learning new and old tech. But every time I sit down to Avid and Premiere, something just feels completely unintuitive.

    With Avid, I feel locked into their vision of editing. It's a vision that was born out of the needs of the film editor and the limitations of computers in the 90's. While I've had the pleasure of working on a flatbed Steenbeck, those editing allegories are, unfortunately for some, a thing of the past. Please understand that I am not saying that Avid is bad. Quite to the contrary, I think it's pretty amazing. It's just not built for my tastes and preferences.

    Premiere has lots of potential. I love it's integration with AE and PS. It kind of feels like what FCP 8 might have been. But I also would need 16GB of RAM and a better GFX card to run it. Both of which I refuse to purchase until we figure out what's happening with the future of the Mac Pro.

    At the end of the day, I'm most frustrated because Apple created a negative industry impression about FCP. It was a long battle to get FCP accepted by producers and post houses. With Bunim-Murray moving back to Avid, it will be a longer battle to get it back. The way I see it, that's one less place I am qualified to work (until I get my Avid chops up to my FCP chops).

    Today's update, I hope, is one step in that direction. For now, I'm still working in FCP7 and 6 and learning Avid in my spare time. I've been tinkering with X and today will be happy to sit down and see if it's more responsive and reliable on my 2007 Mac Pro. Really looking forward to broadcast video out, but not sure if drivers are needed from AJA. Curious to see what the new crop of bugs are, too.

  • @Gabel What a bullshit. These features were planned right from the start but software development takes time, even when you are Apple and have 70 billion in the bank. Consider FCPX 10.0.0 a public beta. That was what it was. I think this is the real 1.0 release and from now on it will only get better.

    Avid and Adobe are already answering (Adobe Prelude has skimming and filmstrip view implemented). You can't beat Final Cut Pro X for the price (especially Motion 5) and the eco-system will flower (it already is doing that). Everything is cheaper... plug-ins and because so many people can afford it, they will sell lots of it.

    Everyone who says FCPX is iMovie can walk to hell. It was made as a professional product from day 1. And a new Mac Pro will be released soon and all nervous nellies will be satisfied again.

    Premiere Pro does amazing things but overall I think it is still a crappy UI and it is not fast to edit in it. Counter-productive. Premiere Pro is just a clone of Avid meets Final Cut Pro 7. No vision, no passion there.

  • @Gabel I do remember the discussion that most of the top editors were talking about regarding FCPX. Mainly about FCPX not being ready yet... I forget who said it- but one said: if you use FCPX10.0.0 then "I want your clients!".

  • @alcomposer: FCP 7 was a GREAT software when it came out... 4 years ago. There's a reason people loved it, but it has aged poorly. I know about audio editing in FCP and the nightmare it is, but when I do audio editing it's often in Soundtrack Pro but most the time I don't touch audio. What I wanted to say was rather that while it was good, something new was needed and like many I was holding out for the new FCP, but sucked so hard when it came that I jumped over to Premiere instead. Like many others. Now they're trying to win back people by adding back functions (that should have been there in the first place) but the damage is done and many have abandoned it and probably won't change now.

  • I have used LW to cut stuff, and hv managed to work around the issues you mentioned. It's awkward but it's not like FCP X, a half-baked attempt to take editing software technology forward.

    To me, FCP x should have never been released before they patched up all the kinks. Apple's greed?

  • @kazuo

    Have you seriously checked out importing clips into LW's? If you think FCPX is a pain- get ready for it with LW's! Oh, and if you want media management with LW's make sure that you buy yourself a nice small data centre, plus a heap of software- which also may or may not be supported in the future. :D

    But in all seriousness, maybe @VK should delete this thread before it turns into flame. Seams that the current attitude is to use Adobe regardless of anything. Adobe must be making lots of 'cash'...

  • FCP X!!!!!!

    What a load of rubbish! I am proud to be a first generation adopter of FCP. I used version 1.0 and still have the box proudly displayed on my shelf. But FCP X??? Middle finger comes to mind

    I now run Avid and Adobe CS5.5, and am loving them. Also check out Lightworks! It's brilliant and it's free!

  • @Gabel media management was imposible in FCPnonX. There are way to many people out there that love FCPnonX so much that they are unable to tell the wood from the trees... Just 'try' to edit audio with it. Its absolutely useless. What FCPX achieves is the 'media bucket' metaphorn (as opposed to a track based system- like ProTools etc) yet takes it to its logical conclusion. (No use having media buckets suck on a time line if you can't anchor them to something).

    Just wait 2 years and you will see FCPX clones popping up all over the place... (Yes I am talking to you Premier) - That is of course if Photoshop doesn't eat it up before that happens... :D

  • Yay, now it's only missing multiple sequences and it's a software that does everything the four year old original could but in 64 bit (like Premiere or Avid). I was a longtime FCP user, but with X I jumped over to Premiere instead (I need multiple sequence editing, as I often do grading and EFX work) and haven't looked back since... A shame as I hoped that Apple would repeat the success of Logic 8, but failed miserably.

  • Apple should announce all the dot updates up to 10.9 will be FREE for early adopters and new customers will pay $1200. Let's see how many people stop crying for missing features. As for me, i bought it after 10.0.1 and that time it was nothing to write home about. I couldn't even cut my family videos with it on the same MBP that i ran the FCP7 OK. Since, i have upgraded an older MacPro with a flashed 4870 video card, internal raid and 24 GB of RAM. Yes sometimes there slowdowns with projects that has over 2000 clips BUT at the end of the day this old MacPro eats 1080p jobs for breakfast, lunch and dinner - sometimes snacks in between. The gold idea is the " WorkFlow ". The sum of of all parts of your editing chores is called editing - unless you are a hollywood master cutter with assistants. Only the clip management and Rolls are worth the whole PremierPro. I use the following to pay rent: - FCPX, FCP7, PremierPro CS5.5, Smoke, ZBrush, 3dMax, Maya - and i hate and love all of them in different times of my day

  • YES YES YES

    Motion 5 is also update to 5.0.2 (don't know about round tripping though- however with XML1.1 linking to NUKE etc should be a breeze) not that it isn't now... but most probably more robust.

  • FUCK ALL OF YOU HATERS

    http://www.apple.com/finalcutpro/software-update.html

    Who said Apple wasn't listening? 10.03 baby...!

    • Multicam
    • Broadcast monitoring
    • Media link
    • Layered Photoshop graphics
    • XML 1.1
    • Advanced Chroma
  • @oneday

    Sounds like the only software you could be happy with is open source- as change of direction occurs with 'ALL' software. Avid just did it with Pro Tool by axing their plugin architecture for a new one.

    I do wonder if 'any' software that we use now will look the same in 10? 20? 30 years? Let alone be compatible...

    PS: I am not trying to flame here... just state fact.

  • for all those FCPX lovers, how could you go with this software, you never know when they gonna leave you again and change the interface radically so when you open it up you don't know what to do? and after time being use it you have became an expert !!!

    they did it once,...

    I made a mistake and in 2006 from Avid came to FCP.

    FCP+iMovie+APPLE=FCPX= unprofessionalism

  • Being in the process of testing out FCPX for myself- (got sick of all the UGC tutorials etc.)

    Have to say that to be completely honest this is the first 'serious' effort of editing and clip database integration out there. FCP is fantastic - but there is NO clip management option. Remember that they had that horrid FCP Server for this task... :-Z

  • I don't like products with a long wishlist. Also... Apple's Black Hole has taken Steve Job's seat. My gut feeling is that Apple's FCPX is like Microsoft's DotNetFramework which hasn't taken over the world yet.

  • I gave Final Cut Pro X another try. Loving it more and more. Hope the early 2012 update fixes some of the issues that have been plaguing it. The more I use FCPX, the more I hate Avid and Premiere. The problem with FCPX is that it is a 1.0 product and that it was built for the future. It is so taxing for my system. The good thing is: in a year or so the performance will be optimized and the hardware will be improved to a great extent. I expect external thunderbolt videocards and maybe a new Mac Pro. That's the problem with FCPX... throughput. I notice that people working on a SAN or Thunderbolt Raid with high-end SSD equipped Macs don't have much problems. FCPX was built for that. Adobe can't fix Premiere with time because they lack a vision... CS6 will be like FCP7, which some may like, but FCP7 was broken as well and the more I work in FCPX, the more I hate how things worked the old way. Performance and bugs are easily fixed over time. Video and photo will converge and FCPX is more suited for that... Adobe is answering with Lightroom 4 but I don't think it will replace Premiere anytime soon.

    One of the things I really like is load SD card, import as Camera Archive and optimize in ProRes 422. I can visually see what is on my cards in FCPX, unless Avid and Premiere where I am forced to import before I can see what clips I have. Also the Metadata and filtering in FCPX are very powerful... because you can search your library instead of the current project. Huge time-saver with B-roll footage. I use Aperture and iTunes and their libraries are available to FCPX even when they are not open. Another huge time-saver for me.

    I will keep experimenting with Avid and Premiere Pro but so far I like FCPX most. Can't wait for the next update (multicam, broadcast monitoring), future iCloud integration (collaboration) and iPad control (sure this one is on the roadmap, as the UI of FCPX is the same as the UI of edit video on my iPhone in iOS (yellow range selector).

    Apple to-do list (if you ask me): - iCloud integration - iPad - Multicam - Broadcast monitoring - Better pasting of clip effects - Remembering in/out points - Project file size (performance) - Multiple selections on import - Window lay-outs (save/import/export/sync icloud?) - Send to Motion - Send to Logic - Mute all audio (like in Avid) - Redesign of compressor (just use Share monitor) - Set memory for FCPX (like in Motion/Adobe)... FCP uses up to 100% cpu/RAM bringing my iMac to its knees sometimes if you do multi-tasking)

  • Intel only came out with the new chips in Q4 2011- and remember that Apple can be slow when they want to be...
  • >Also: why is there no Mac Pro update? 2012 is going to show how committed Apple really is to professionals.

    At this point I'm not holding my breath...
  • @aria
    I agree. But it is Apple so you never know. They don't communicate. And you can say what you want: iOS delayed OS X Snow Leopard and Lion. They have unlimited resources but that doesn't mean that the FCPX team can get as big as they want... they fired a lot of people when the big re-write was done. Also, the team also works on Logic and Aperture (not sure if it is the same people, but they are supposed to share resources). Aperture could also use an update and Logic X was probably delayed after the huge outrage over FCP X.

    Also: why is there no Mac Pro update? 2012 is going to show how committed Apple really is to professionals.
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