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GH2 driftwood hack in shootout with Canon C300
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  • @danyyyel

    Oh and also on DR, I agree with you there. You can't base photo mode results on video mode results, it's two different animals. If there's a decrease in DR as you rise in ISO, I highly doubt it's more than negligible, and wouldn't be easily tamed by using NDs (Which you already understand, but most people do not) or exposing for flesh and highlights.

    The rest is handled with apps like 5DtoRGB, which open up shadows and give you the options to go out to lossless formats like DPX for grading.
  • @danyyyel

    You have fair thoughts, my friend. Again, I wasn't trying to be a jerk, but people here and GH2 users out there should feel confident in what they're using. Not just GH users, but all camera owners. I know why the images are unsettling, it's very simple:

    WE KNOW the camera is much better than what that still represented. It happens in nearly EVERY shootout, that's why they're pointless unless they're being done by tons of people with tons of time to commit to making sure every single detail has been accounted for.

    The Digital Cinema Society shootouts were the most rich, detailed shootouts we could have gotten, and the results were handled professionally. If you want a serious opinion, then that's the kind of shootout you need to look out for.

    Let me tell you this: I can grab an Epic and shoot whenever I want. Point blank. F3 S-Log? No problem. ALexa? I might have to pay a few bucks, but I know private owners. I could shoot with these any time.

    As far as Epic vs GH2? GH2 can't truly compete with Epic at 5K or 4K, but at 3K and 2K? Not the case. The GH2 Hacked stands image to image with Epic 2K. And it's a freakin' 700.00 camera.

    You can take that or leave it, but right now you shouldn't be worried about what the cam does in a shootout and, instead, showing moving footage of how insane it is.
  • no no,is not like you say
    1 5D
    2 NEX5
    3 AF100
    4 C300
    5 D7000
    6 F3 AB
    7 F3 S-Log
    8 FS100
    9 GH2
    10 7D
  • *derek
    on philips site he have updated the post


    EDIT: Someone in the comments got in right!

    Sony NEX5N, Flat PP

    AF100 AB-RANGE PP

    C300 C-LOG

    GH2 Driftwood Hack nostalgia and dialed down

    5Dmk2 Marvels Advance

    7D Marvels Advance

    FS100 G-LOG A

    F3 AB-RANGE

    F3 S-Log

    Nikon D7000 Flat
  • Extra stop would come not from the softness of the lens, but using a sharp, low contrast legacy lens and pushing the results in post. I haven't tried it in video, only still photography. So it may not work, just something to try out over the holidays.
  • were you read that?
  • i just read that nr:4 is the gh2, wel that got me silent.
    still dont have a gh2, i need more info on the canon 60d :'sorry.
    But wow, that sets things different again.... lot off room to play with in post editing........
  • ehr,
    Yes, the green cast is too much on the D7000. I certainly see the difference due to compression, even more so viewing on a large display.
  • Well an extra stop of dr only thanks to the softness of the lens seems to be a little too much...
    Again: we're judging dr in an uncorrect way. An image can be very contrasty and have more dr of a flat one, because the details are still there in highlights and shadows until they're clipped.
    It's just a matter of 'look': just flat the image if you like.

    In these shots none of the highlights seems to be clipped in any cameras
  • Re: dynamic range--one thing on my list of things to do is shoot some vid with a legacy prime that is very sharp but has less contrast, say in the F2 to F2.8 range. In still photography, some people use this trick to get an extra stop of DR (which is then reconstituted in post). Have to try this on the Driftwood hack over the holidays, maybe with the Nikkor 35mm F1.4 or one of the Rokkor primes.
  • @kong@proaudio4
    I don't see the D7000 skin blotchyness.
    to my eyes the D700 had the least amount of banding (look below the lights) and blocking (look in the right corner), followed by the GH2, and all the rest after that.
    The green hue of the D7000 is kind of nasty, but I think that can be fixed.

  • Here are three reasons I preferred No. 9. I would add, and I'm sure many have already done this, that I carefully calibrated my monitor. First is, without thinking about any technical details, the image just looked better than the others at "prima vista." OK, I could be fooled by extra contrast, etc. But the GH2 leaves a vivid first impression, no matter how it does it. And first impressions are important.
    Second is the level of detail. Everyone, or most people, have a a superfine layer of fine hair on their skin. If you look at the model's shoulders, the GH2 resolves some of that detail. And that is super resolution--impressive. Many of the others just give you a cottony blur at the skin edges. Mushy.
    Third, I thought the color of many--not all, but many--of the others was off (and this is why I double checked my monitor). There could be a million reasons for that, but there it is.
    As far as the blacks and dark parts of the models hair being crushed, this happens all the time, and it is also present in the C300 video. IMHO, the GH2 is dialed up one notch too far in contrast, or the shot is very slightly underexposed. Instantly and easily fixable. There must be about a full stop of exposure variation in the test, depending on how each camera "sees" the subjects, and part of this is probably due to the lights in the background.
    What I'm saying is, dynamic range is important, but contrast is no biggie. Dial it down, then bring it up in post if needed. At ")", the GH2 Contrast is too much, but we knew that anyway. At -2, it is OK, and we knew that too. Exposure is touchy, we knew that as well.

    Preference is subjective. I just happened to prefer that single frame, although I liked the "nonsubject" part of the C300 image: smooth and not grainy. Others would prefer other frames, and it is only one test in a series. The boat in the harbor, the C300 seemed to resolve more detail. We will wait and see. But as far as the first test goes, I for one am not planning on buying a different cam.
    Until the next test.
  • Is the model his sister?
  • Kong,
    I thought the same thing regarding the smeared compression look of many of the other samples. It's not pretty.
    The D7000 suffers from compression artifacts and makes the skin tones looks blotchy.


    I certainly believe Philip has a lot more to show.

  • I really like how the GH2 rendered the background with all the raw grains (right hand side in fullsize) :) Looks at the others most looked compressed and, shall I say, "muddy'ish." It seems overly saturated compared to some of the others and the DR is not as good as the others. But damn that D7000 looks excellent I thought it came from the C300, but the C300 is not there...
  • jspatz is correct.

    Take a look at the FS100 shot #8. It does not look that good. colors are muted and skin tones are blotchy from compression artifacts. Does this one shot tell the whole FS100 story, no way. So the same goes for all of these different camera one frames comparisons.

    Just look at kholi's shots above. It's a lot cleaner and looks great. Now if this frame was included in the mystery game of - guess which image belongs to a camera - , this would be a very different story. Everyone would be praising the GH2. Don't go by one shot.

    BTW, the whites are clipped on the GH2. Now, the come back would be this was intentional in order to not underexpose the shadows, but look at the 7D sample below, whites we not blown out, and the shadows are even more crushed.

    I would of been interesting if Philip had used smooth with all -2 settings. Nostalgic is a "pushed" look with the GH2. I'm surprised this was the chosen setting.

    Nonetheless, it's only one sample.
  • +1 @driftwood comment
    aye! to Vitaliy
    i´m also really curious to see a film from him :D
  • Are all these opinions being based on the 9 jpegs on the site? With all the artifacts, poor resolution and wild differences in exposure, contrast and color, how can anyone tell anything about these cameras?
  • Its just a test. All the cameras are bloody good, the GH2's can obviously hold its own with the big boys - but we knew this already. And Vitaliy just keeps making it better and better. The real hero of the test is the work of a man much more technically gifted than PB, and that is the achievements of VK.
    One day I hope to see some of his shooting on this site involving all his knowledge... unless its already here, somewhere... ;-)
  • >Disappointing that the GH-2, in this test is 9.

    My comment is regarding how the GH-2 fared in the test. I'm not disappointed in the camera for my uses. I just hoped in a side by side comparison, the hacked GH-2 would have been closer to the top of the cameras tested for contrast and DR.

    Dynamic range test question: If you shot the same exposure on different cashmere. Then brought a frame into post. If you raised or lowered the exposure by one EV or stop, and counted how many stops before you see clipping in the histogram or Photoshop "show clipping"

    there seems to be a lot of dynamic Range tests, but are almost always a subjective result.
  • @brianluce well put.

    The shootout is fun to follow. I'm looking forward to the next round.

    Gh2 resolution held it own against the big dogs.
    nex5n...way to hang in there looks very similar to the d7000
    5d...banding king.
    D7000...googling that byach right now. I want to know more. I liked it.
    7d...nah
    F3 and c300...solid performance, but not significantly better than all the rest.

    The surprises for me...nex5n did well, D7000 was my fav and that the Monsters F3 and C300 don't kill.




  • @CraftyClown
    It's just that some people sound so deflated that the GH2 doesn't have 20 stops of latitude and might or might not fall a tad short of a $9,000 camera.
  • @Butt No need to start making accusations. This is nothing more than an interesting comparison. If you're not interested then there is really no need to comment!
  • it is only a test:
    which also says nothing - absolutely nothing - absolutely unnecessary for me
    and
    Philip Bloom is a Canonman (sklave!?)
  • Why the long faces GH2 lovers? Turns out we're hung like African Rhinos! We've got a $500 tool that compares favorably to some much more expensive relatives! Maybe the F3 has an inch or two on us, but hey, we can please a lot of chicks, (even Olivia) with what we're packing. DR? Humbug, that's our job, to control the light, even 14 stops can easily not get it done. If we can't get it done with the GH2's 10 stops give or take, we suck.