I am not sure that topic title is best. :-)

Most fun is that on PV and other places people fight for RED and never listed, as same thing had been said for years.

All other camera parts, btw, also have similar margins.

@Eimulis

As I said, if you just account manufacturing cost of Red camera (and add software development costs) you will get almost same numbers.

@brudney

I guess that many knew for long time.

Also, any company can make simple trick by using 3D TLC memory and cheap SSD, but make it function in SLC mode. Such drives retail is about $100 per 1TB, so you are getting around 320GB with 1600-1800 write speed across all size.

Or just use proper latest controller for SATA, like latest Phison and same 3D TLC without any size penalty

Write speed is limited by interface

What's amazing is how furiously RED fanboys defend that RedMag scam 0_o

Yeah, I know, it's too much to expect people to act sensibly ;)

Yeah, but once they acknowledge that fraud, they make themselves idiots, who spent fortunes on overpriced RED gear :DD

@jleo apparently Linus shows all!

@Vitaliy_Kiselev their first lens to go with the Red one camera, was a $300 18-50mm 2.8 still photography lens, in a Cine Style lens housing and cost 10x more with their name on it. I knew from them on something was fishy! https://www.ebay.com/itm/RED-18-50-T3-PL-Mount-Cine-Zoom-Lens-ARRI-RED/192981160047?hash=item2cee92d06f:g:ueMAAOSwjW5dI6cp. I believe it is this lens, rehoused: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma_18–50mm_f/2.8_EX_DC_Macro_lens

@Eimulis now I wanna see Linus do a DIY RED mag using a standard SSD and some 3D printed stuff.

I remember a couple years back we had problems during a shot because the RED mag=PC adapter was not worth cuz it was not an "original" adapter and we had to look everywhere for one, I wonder how much of it was just RED bullshiting us

Watch how bigger companies marketing work, they buy big channels, not directly but they'll get their stuff with time in terms of hardware or better service or such.

"Made in US" claim is being accurately attacked using fully false arguments, as they try to attach UK laws (that are different) and substitute US laws and contrary to original video - spending few second on it all. Attack had been necessary as it is dangerous claims and can cause consequence if buyers will understand that it is scam.

"Capacity claim", RED clearly and openly told that 512GB capacity is more than 480GB, so bringing here any "raw capacity" and obvious claims is extremely bad approach.

"Extra bits" part is completely words play, as it is CAMERA FIRMWARE that is intentionally made to behave bad with any SSDs except certain models. Same way as camera designers do towards 3rd party batteries. It is not crime in capitalism society (as it is company owners and investors who write the laws), but it is clear crime against society interests.

"Cripple" part is extremely bad marketing trick, as original video NEVER had anything about such. And never had been designed for people to think so. They just tried to find reasons of huge cost and found that RED ALWAYS selected worst possible option, including temperature operation or cells type.

"Faking customized firmware" part is completely out of this world. As you never will see ASUS who will start declaring that they made their own GPU and memory and that it had been millions in expenses and if you disassembly card and see Nvidia and Samsung parts - you are moron and it is still Asus product.

"Millions spent" claim is specially scripted and fully misleading part where Linus suddenly tell you that it is related to RED Raw. It is not. Original Red post had been ONLY about media cost.

"Infringed" claim is fully false, as it is legal thing, and as far as I see it is no legal court decision that had been made. And I doubt Red want such.

Most FUN part is explanation of 4Gb files structure - as this structure is made to not pay for more advanced file systems, it is tiny money, but Red does not want it.

Telling that it is ok to pay to fraudsters 10x-20x price is complete shite. It just means that many other good firms who make cinema gear and accessories will never get their money and instead they will go into new luxury stuff for top management and investors.

Defending scam IS HORRIBLE PRACTICE that shows how media become prostitutes working for owners even if not open.

@kellar42

Yes I did, as he is professional he used last pointless part to cover first part that had been made according to RED interests.

Also, it is not conspiracy to think that big channel that uses RED as their main cameras will be supportive to this company, as making real extremely hard and honest video will definitely create small further problems. And lot of other sponsors and advertisers won't like it.

@EspenB

I think it is not, as it is very complex to make properly.
Firmware just check for specific SSD model that is mainly used in original mags.

We'll see more tech details from Jinni soon.

The first part of Linus video is complete trash! It seems like Red is using Linus Tech with a plan to find a way out of this scandal releasing RAID mags ...and turning this farce into cash :))