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GH5 Panasonic camera, from anticipation to love or hate
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  • JanHJanH

    @jamesb 2) Can you use other system lenses with the IBIS and dial the focal length like in Olympus cameras?

    My G85 asks what focal length lens I have attached on power up - so I would expect nothing less on the GH5. It provides me a scale from 8mm to 1000mm focal length. Very easy to use...

  • VeskuVesku

    GH5 NEW FEATURES! (I have asked most of them for years, thanks Panasonic)

    -auto iso in M with EV comp and with auto iso range setting.

    -min shutter speed limit.

    -iso100 for video! (This is great for noise and bright light)

    -folder and file custom naming

    -the whole camera status save/load option to SD card (ability to share settings between GH5s) My idea in many forums.

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  • inqb8trinqb8tr

    @konjow

    most likely color grading

    I'm not 100% sure, it certainly did not help, but there is something odd with it. That same guy has videos shot with different cameras in challenging light, where he did not clip highs that bad in grading. One would think that he'd do better grading with new camera that he got to test by the company.

    @jamesb

    He explains that he overexposed by mistake

    But not by too much really. Seems like the camera handles overexposure badly and produces those harsh edges. Don't get me wrong I don't expect it to be Alexa for 2k$, and I really don't care about stops on paper, just some cameras when they 'burn', no matter at what exposure value, they burn nicer with finer falloff and this one cuts clipped highs off as linear as it gets. Same case in few other videos so it is not just this one.

    I agree though that girl in Seattle footage is great, maybe it needs some extra care with highs, we'll see.

  • EnoEno

    @theSUBVERSIVE thanks for the answer, I wold love to find a proper (all values exposed) ISO test on standard profile with everything on default.

    @joethepro, " I don't understand it being forced on." are you kidding or something? "

  • jamesbjamesb

    My main unanswered questions are:

    1) 180fps mode is it soft like the 96fps on the GH4? What bitrate is it recording at?

    2) Can you use other system lenses with the IBIS and dial the focal length like in Olympus cameras?

    3) Will pre-orders in the USA have the V-Log L for free like someone suggested in a video?

    To anyone that can answer... Thank you!

  • jamesbjamesb

    He explains that he overexposed by mistake. That is why the live LUT feature is so important to have. Easier to expose. And I agree the grade is very harsh and the highlights are terribly cut. Other footage I have seen is nothing of the sort. The V-LOG L footage from the girl in Seattle grades very well and has very nice shadow and highlight detail.

  • konjowkonjow

    most likely color grading

  • inqb8trinqb8tr

    Something is very wrong with those highlights.

  • sammysammy

    wow, that looks bad @Manu4vendetta

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  • sammysammy

    @Endotoxic,if Alexa is 14-14.5 stops , there is no way in the world gh5 is 13.5 , I can prove to you that Alexa is 14-14.5 usable stops from multiple tests available to public, where you get your claims of 13.5 usable stops for GH5

  • theSUBVERSIVEtheSUBVERSIVE

    @Eno he shot at standard with all setting -3

  • endotoxicendotoxic

    Dynamic range is there. Any thing over 10 stops for rec709 is more than Hdr rec2020 ready. You grew up seeing 6 stops footage. Lol.

    Be plesed by Gh5 fetures. 13.5 stops is good enough feature wise in price. the noise!!! that is a feature of m4/3 sensors.

    Why you like super 16 film??? The look.

    Ok 4/3 sensor noise pattern also is a look. Dynamic range and color behaviour also look.

    Is a tool.

    Pay more for better look.

    Even though ''good chap ursamini 4.6k'' is only good up til iso 800. Then fpn arrives.

    Godes alexa cant handle high contrast on white scene, at any iso.

    Red is marketing as sony. All look like plastic.

    Peolple has forgoten that part of this job is know your tool. Gh5 is one more. ONE MORE TOOL.

    Lets continue to analyse tool, sheeps

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

  • sammysammy

    @Karl,thanks for info!so it just makes it more flatter , but in the end they are not doing any dual gain step to add to dynamic range.

  • joetheprojoethepro

    @eno @thetrickster I meant I don't understand it being forced on. Why not make it optional? Or did I misunderstand something?

  • karlkarl

    @sammy: You can find HLG briefly described here.

    Of course, HLG does not change the dynamic range the sensor hardware can record, but it is a useful transfer function to allow to retain valuable information on both the high-light and the low-light end while recording. In that it is similar to what V-Log aims for, but with the difference that V-Log is intended only for post-processing, while HLG is meant to be understood by displays, so what somebody records using HLG in the camera could be replayed on any HLG-capable display right away.

    Actually, I think that if HLG is properly implemented in the camera, this will leave very little reason to use V-Log.

    BTW: Relevant open source software such as the "zimg" library, ffmpeg and mpv do already support HLG, so by the time Panasonic implements HLG in the GH5, there won't be a problem to replay or convert HLG recordings with popular software players.

  • sammysammy

    Is the hybrid log gamma something will give the camera extra dynamic range (over v log) ? Is it like the dual gain feature in alexa and blackmagic cameras ?What will it do exactly ?

  • nobbystylusnobbystylus

    Highlight rolloff will be improved by V-Log like it is on the GH4.

  • inqb8trinqb8tr

    Judging by those several videos it seems like the highlight rolloff is very harsh, and also the blacks were completely crushed, probably in grading, so we could not really see how it handles underexposed areas, how noisy or smudgy they are. For now, my main concern with this camera is the dynamic range.

    That ice cutting documentary was underexposed/graded to be very dark and moody, and yet, the highlights on the bar, the practicals, speculars on ice and in backgrounds are all just hard edged glowing clipped blobs of white with no detail whatsoever.

    Also in Nick's video shot in the streets, for example around 0'20'' the buildings in the BG are melted with skies, I am aware that it was super fast run and gun test, but still it makes me uncomfortable, I really hope that it can look much better, since I was really into buying this camera.

    On paper everything is amazing, they nailed it with this camera, but still, different ball game is how flattering and 'cinematic' image really feels. It might be highly subjective but, highlight rolloff and underexposed areas are one of most important aspects of that elusive definition.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @gietrzy

    Put any questions and suggestions at http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/16283/ask-nick-driftwood-your-questions-about-gh5

  • gietrzygietrzy

    Regarding the chat with Nick Can you guys ask Him to pass a question to Japan: when 100mm+ macro lens is planned? No coma, etc, can be Leica read: pricey. Thanks.

  • thetricksterthetrickster

    @joethepro. I understand and look forward very much to utilising it.!

  • EnoEno

    @joethepro, you don't need to. Others who have a use for that feature, understand it very well. :)-

  • joetheprojoethepro

    I'll never understand the auto iso in M mode thing.

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