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In this Catalyst special Dr Maryanne Demasi investigates the science behind the long established claims that saturated fat causes heart disease by raising cholesterol. The National Heart Foundation makes a shocking admission that will make you wonder whether this has all been a big fat lie. ABC Australia's Science Unit
Dr Stephen Sinatra
"Cholesterol is really not the villain. I mean, we need it to live. The problem is cholesterol is involved in a repair process. Look, cholesterol is found at the scene of the crime, it's not the perpetrator." ..from the transcript
Almost one million people tuned into science program Catalyst's (994,000) expose of the myth of the dangers of high cholesterol and high saturated fat consumption..The Australian
A leading public health physician is warning the ABC not to air a second program on cholesterol, saying it could result in deaths. This is about anti-cholesterol drugs known as statins, which are widely used in Australia.
The chair of the Advisory Committee on the Safety of Medicines has written to the ABC in a private capacity, warning the program might cause people not to take their drugs. ABC News
I am one consumer who spends $41.50 a month on statins, hoping they will keep me healthy. The statins cause me muscle pain on top of the wallet pain. 15 years ago, my mother's doctor stopped taking his statins. Last year, my own doctor stopped as well.
There are regular TV ads warning us not to stop taking our statins.
Lots of my fellow Australians will be waiting for Part II where the Catalyst program will address the issue of the world's most prescribed drug in history.
The Australian Medical Association has said it's time we had this debate.
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Everything You Know About Cholesterol Is Wrong
http://www.artofmanliness.com/2015/08/25/everything-you-know-about-cholesterol-is-wrong/
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Medical World coming around to Catalyst's views on Cholesterol and Statin drugs
The argument over whether cholesterol causes heart disease has never gone away, but now it’s back with a vengeance.
This comes as increasing numbers of those in the medical community and more international studies are raising questions about the link between cholesterol and heart disease.
This comes as increasing numbers of those in the medical community and more international studies are raising questions about the link between cholesterol and heart disease.
Hand in hand with questions about cholesterol, come those about the efficacy of statins, the drugs used to reduce cholesterol. One leading British cardiologist says he believes the public is being mislead.
Read the article and hear the Podcast on ABC's "Counterpoint" program:
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I got quite "Famous" there for a while haha. http://www.sbs.com.au/topics/life/health/article/2016/01/06/aussie-rambo-meet-wild-62-year-old-muscle-guru
There is a video version of the article in the pipeline.
Also another source http://www.mademan.com/this-aussie-gent-is-62-and-fit-af/
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Yes VK, there is an addition test for Chol density, currently Docs only take notice of Total Chol which really indicates bugger all and results in Docs prescribing Statins, Low Trigs and Low Chol Densities are the important ones.
VK >Another very helpful tip. Before trying any diet get good medical books and read parts on how digestive system works
Yes and also peer reviewed medical research like PubMed etc. i've spent the past 2 years reading and trying to understand the body, it's a fascinating adaptive organism, able to adapt to good and bad stresses, but much prefers a state of Homeostasis ( balance) that is what we are constantly fighting against. It is amazing and will reward you with optimal health if you give it what it prefers and that's not alwYs what we are led to believe.
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FACT - Protein is Essential for life, Fat is essential for life, Carbohydrates are NOT essential, the body has the capacity via the liver to to make glucose from Protein and some Fatty Acids via Gluconeogenisis ( GNG)
Even the Brains preferred fuel is Ketones from fats, and it will use up to 85% of them combined with 15% Glucose. Ketones are how the brain survives in starvation. It's also a very clean burning fuel, the heightened awareness and flat-lining energy levels are must experience to believe, no mood swings or 3 hourly energy dips, i can if i desire, go all day without experiencing hunger or energy loss. There is however an adaption period, approx 6 weeks before most of the changes take effect, most people quit before reaching this stage.
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Cholesterol is not the enemy, inflammation is. Cholesterol is just doing its job, repairing damage. The real aim is to reduce the density of Cholesterol particles, that can be done thru diet. I eat 5% carbs, 30% Protein, 65% fat ( mostly sat fat from animals) my Chol blood markers are excellent and densities very small compared to Blood marker tests done 2 years prior
I am not good at this, but some modern research shows that actually reduction of cholesterol makes no sense at all. As it is required for proper function, it is real issues with blood vessels that cause problems (and cholesterol fixes as far as nature can). If you stop proper high cholesterol it'll be just more serious issues more fast.
Another very helpful tip. Before trying any diet get good medical books and read parts on how digestive system works.
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Cholesterol is not the enemy, inflammation is. Cholesterol is just doing its job, repairing damage. The real aim is to reduce the density of Cholesterol particles, that can be done thru diet. I eat 5% carbs, 30% Protein, 65% fat ( mostly sat fat from animals) my Chol blood markers are excellent and densities very small compared to Blood marker tests done 2 years prior.
VK, i scare the shit out of myself sometimes..lol
I've no issue with Vegan diets other than most long term vegans tend to be deficient in micronutrients and bone density can be problematic for some.
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You can scare to shit big percentage of population if you do same poses late in the evening in the quiet lonely place :-)
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To add to what Gamer stated, and hoping to not sound like a vegan preacher here, though all bad cholesterol comes from consuming animal products. Plants contain 0 cholesterol. Where does the good cholesterol come from? Our bodies produce it. The China Study discusses this, though you can also watch Forks Over Knives for an abbreviated summary. If you eat a plant based diet, your bad cholesterol levels will drop to 0. It's been working great for me for over 10 years and have won several bicycle races as a vegan. The whole where do you get your protein argument is a joke. Veggies, beans, nuts, seeds, grains all provide more than enough. Look up vegan body builders.
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I've been on a Low Carb Ketogenic Diet for just over two years and also a Body Recomp over the past 12 mths, all natural, no drugs or TRT. It's an obsession of mine, reversing ageing, preparing the body for quailty of life in the next 40 years, i'm currently aged 62.
Photos and info here http://recompositioningrambo.blogspot.com.au
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(see article on Drug Firms and other practices, also sourcing the article quoted below at http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/14660/big-pharma-is-form-of-organized-crime/p1 )
The Queen's former doctor has called for an urgent public enquiry into drugs firms’ ‘murky’ practices.
He is particularly critical of the dramatic recent increase of the prescribing of statins.
[a paper published by the Medical Journal of Australia (MJA) last June] laimed that a programme that aired in 2013 - which questioned the benefits of prescribing statins to those at low risk of heart disease - may have resulted in up to 2,900 people suffering a heart attack or death from stopping their medication.
The problem with polypharmacy is that the more drugs you take, the more likely you are to experience side-effects
that are then misinterpreted by a doctor or nurse as a symptom of disease that needs treating with additional medicine .
I was asked to go on ABC News Australia to discuss this but unfortunately just 30 minutes before my interview was cancelled.
Had I had the opportunity, I would have given my view - that the paper provided no robust evidence of increasing hospital admissions or recorded deaths to support such claims.
"On the contrary, the Catalyst documentary under scrutiny is one of the most brilliant pieces of medical journalism I have seen in recent times.
A view shared by the vice president of the faculty of public health Professor Simon Capewell, who described it as 'informative, transparent, and raised legitimate concerns',
As he and I point out in an editorial published two weeks ago in medical journal BMC Medicine, community based studies reveal that almost 75 per cent of new users will stop taking their statin within a year of prescription with 62 per cent citing side effects as a reason.
In fact, the emerging evidence suggests at best, the benefits of statins have been grossly exaggerated and side effects underplayed.
In recent weeks, two separate research groups in Japan and France have, independently of each other, questioned the reliability of many of the earlier industry sponsored studies that show the benefit of statins.
In fact the Japanese research went as far to even suggests that statins may be a cause of the increasing population burden of heart failure.
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Having stood their ground on exposing the prescribing of statin drugs to perfectly healthy people, ABC's science journalists are keeping their steady-as-she-goes attitude.
They've now homed-in on carbohydrate-rich diets, citing recent results showing benefits to some people of a diet rich in fats, lower in protein but very low in starch - and disputing the theory that consuming fatty food causes some sort of "explosion of cholesterol" in the body.
Australian cricketer Shane Watson talks about how cutting carbs has helped him overcome his long-term struggle with weight. Recent research suggests it could improve the lives of people suffering from obesity and diabetes.
Professor Tim Noakes "One of the great myths of heart disease theory is that you eat saturated fat and somehow miraculously goes from your gut and plugs your coronary arteries".
Dr Peter Brukner "Saturated fat is not bad for you, we know that now. There is ample evidence that saturated fat is not the bogey it used to be. It's a great source of energy".
Download the video at http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/tv/catalyst/catalyst_14_15_18.mp4
Transcript at http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/4126228.htm
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I am glad somebody has got some spine.
I will have to subscribe to Catalyst to reward them. Oh, ... wait...
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Until now, the media has been full of pro-statin retaliation against the ABC Catalyst program.
This morning on ABC TV, however, Catalyst finally responded with a simple statement which has not yet reappeared on their website or elsewhere.
Catalyst basically stand behind all of their program's findings (with reference to the over-prescribing of statin drugs in light of their serious side-effects).
This was a brave move in the face of what has possibly involved some serious industrial lobbying. Today, in a not-unrelated address to the National Press Club, ABC Chairman James Spigelman spoke out in defence of ABC's editorial independence - despite the Government budget cuts to the ABC expected to be announced imminently.
(Note: it was our publicly-funded ABC which revealed the leaks regarding our own Government's tapping of the Indonesian President's phone).
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-11/national-press-club-james-spigelman/5150278
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Please can you help me break down the Catalyst message as you see it into a synopsis which can be understood by laypersons? I made a start and am not surprised that I can be mistaken as to what Catalyst meant. If you choose to comment, that's welcome as well - it's just that I want to get the catalyst message right.
[Edit:] Just in case there was a misunderstanding, I always thought the idea of a "minute's silence" was to reflect on what's been lost for just a bit, then move on!
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Cholesterol buildup the problem? Rubbish! There is no 'cholesterol time-bomb.'
80% - 90% of the volume of plaque is macrophages, not cholesterol. Take a look at the microscopy rather than cartoonist images you shared. Macrophages are indicators of immune activity, not of cholesterol buildup.
As for diet and exercise, why do marathon runners drop dead in the middle of races? Where is the real evidence that diet and exercise lead to increased longevity? I don't want to see association studies (sick people don't enjoy running marathons) I want to see prospective causal studies. They just don't exist.
Time to smile again Goanna. You are not doomed. Pick up your cameras, go and take some photos of children enjoying themselves. Then forget those silly doomsayers, and start smiling again...
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Catalyst got their facts right. And where they found lack of clarity, they called for clarification.
So far, the facts seem to be:
- Cholesterol exists as an essential component of the cells in our body. We still understand little about cholesterol's functions.
- Cholesterol is a factor in heart attack, stroke and death;
- High cholesterol build-up due to dietary, hereditary or natural causes, is a health risk;
- Statin drugs do not remove accumulated cholesterol within arteries and veins. Their intended role is to slow down the accumulation of more cholesterol;
- High cholesterol, even if lowered by statin drugs, may revert to high levels as the body reacts to maintain the same high levels;
- While the cholesterol-lowering benefits of taking statins increase in the long term, their protection, if any, may be minimal;
- Lowering cholesterol via statin drugs is desirable only when the perceived benefits exceed any risks;
- Few controlled tests of statins have adequately quantified the risks;
- Side effects of statin drugs such as memory loss, muscle deterioration or diabetes are serious and require more research.
- With individual patients, doctors are conducting too few risk/benefit tests, resulting in instances of improper prescription of statins where the patient's total risk is too low to warrant the medication - meaning the statins expose the patient to further risk.
- Apart from statin therapy, there is almost nothing we can do except minimise our cholesterol by diet and exercise.
This is almost all bad news. Unlike the announcement of a new super-cholesterol-busting drug, this is entirely disappointing. We have to accept that we were lulled into a false feeling of protection in taking those drugs.
There is no Santa Claus, no Tooth Fairy. And there's no easy way out of the cholesterol time-bomb. Sorry. I think we should all observe a minute's silence to contemplate this terrible reality.
Perhaps we can look at the white-space below for 60 seconds:
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The term "where your 8 cents a day goes", coined in the late 1980s during funding negotiations, is often used in reference to the services provided by the ABC. It is estimated that the cost of the ABC per head of population per day is now 7.1 cents a day, based on the Corporation's 2007–08 'base funding' of $543 million
From Wikipedia
The cost was estimated per resident, rather than "tax payer."
try this to get a 2013 figure:
$1,000,000,000 yearly total cost of ABC
÷ 365 days
= $2,739,726.03 daily total cost of ABC
=$0.12 per Australian per day
If, as you say, we decide to arrive at a tax paying population of 15 Million, the daily cost of all the ABC services - Radio Australia, Radio local, Radio National, the web content, ABC TV's 1,2,3 (Children's) ABC News 24 TV, the Youth Orchestra etc etc, amounts to 18c per day per tax payer. Most commercial networks can barely run a TV station alone on that money.
In times when the future of journalism under the old advertising model is in doubt, Our ABC has shown it still has the ethics and governance to tackle the big guys and expose commercial bull***t.
It's not only Catalyst which stands out. Take a look at how TV series The Checkout de-constructs the common commercial practices which have made victims out of us consumers.
Speaking of the $1B ABC cost figure (cited by The Australian newspaper), it's not surprising that The Australian has an axe to grind with the public-funded ABC .
ABC's Media Watch has caught out The Australian many times - and run the risk of litigation by giving the paper the hammering it deserved.
It is a truly David-and-Goliath affair for the 1-billion-a-year, Auntie ABC to take on Rupert Murdoch's multinational News Corp.
Over The Past 4 Years News Corp Generated $10.4 Billion In Profits And Received $4.8 Billion In "Taxes" From The IRS
from zerohedge.com
Like Media Watch, Catalyst must avoid being sued or silenced by others who are loose with the facts but have long pockets. The tried-and-true way to do this is to research thoroughly and get your facts right.
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@tired Auntie should be able to compete with big business if you beleive very recent reports that it cost Aussie tax payers 1 Billion a year to finance auntie ABC. If we have 15 million tax payers that works out to 66 cents a day I think ?
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ABC gets [only] 22 complaints over Catalyst’s statins series
from Pharmacy News
The ABC has received an “overwhelmingly positive” response to Catalyst’s controversial two-part series questioning the link between cholesterol and heart disease, and the benefits of statins, a spokesperson claims.
The national broadcaster revealed it has received 22 complaints about the claims aired over the two episodes, despite widespread criticism of the program, including from Dr Norman Swan the presenter of the ABC’s Health Report, The Australian reported.
“The program was looking into a controversial issue and was always going to be a catalyst for debate,” the spokesperson said.
“The fact that it is a robust internal, as well as external, discussion shows that the ABC is examining the matter from a variety of perspectives.”
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The big pharma companies will stop at nothing to convince the medical profession that "drugs are good" the reps will be out in force talking to doctors & pharmacists with glossy pamphlets which show the 'truth' of the situation. Auntie can't compete with big business and big money
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Wow they are really giving ABC a hard time.
from http://www.thennt.com/nnt/statins-for-heart-disease-prevention-without-prior-heart-disease/
The strange thing is, people are quite prepared to defend statins against the odds: the aura of respectability hangs around. (After all, we all want statins to work). They don't, and they can be harmful. "But", we say to ourselves, "without statins, we have nothing". - Which seems to me like a textbook case of denial.
I'm hoping sometime soon, the Catalyst crew will make a public statement - and I'd like to think they'll stick to their guns.
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(A little off-topic, but just to raise morale a bit) , there is indeed some hope in sight - and it's not too far from the approach seemingly suggested by @trevmar.
I've been Communicating with Associate Professor David Sullivan from the Lipid Clinic at Royal Prince Alfred Hospital in Sydney, who's running the Fourier trials in Australia.
AMG 145 is an investigational human monoclonal antibody that inhibits PCSK9, a protein that reduces the liver's ability to remove LDL-C from the blood. Amgen presented the data at the ESC Congress 2013, organized by the European Society of Cardiology, in Amsterdam.
from http://www.amgen.com/media/media_pr_detail.jsp?year=2013&releaseID=1851078
As David Sullivan describes this monthly injection process, it seems to work by an antibody, re-setting the body's misfunctioning abiility to dispose of excess cholesterol.
At a high success rate, participants' cholesterol profile has been observed to revert to that as observed in persons with genetically low cholesterol.
-And no, I was unable to participate. I live too far from the city and they'd need to see me every three weeks :-(
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@goanna Wow they are really giving ABC a hard time. I looked over both the programs in detail. ABC sought out competent experts, and presented both sides of the argument. Beatrice Golomb, for example, has spent much of her career studying statin side effects. I have discussed this issue with her. She knows the topic inside out.
I think the problem was that the science came out as being extremely one-sided. The lack of scientific support for the cholesterol dogma is the problem the cholesterol folk ought to be addressing, not ABC's reporting.
But as Vitaliy commented above, the Business of Medicine is a really big business, and has performed well in delivering promises, while hiding failures behind a veneer of respectability. Just as the ABC demonstrated, many of the studies performed these days are really not worth the paper they are printed on. Drugs are commonly approved with a 16% improvement in a single biomarker. What use is this measure to a patient threatened by a deadly disease? Why don't they measure the patient's actual response, rather than the easier biomarker? Why are life extensions for cancer patients measured in months, not years? However, one day the public will figure it out. If not on this issue, maybe on the next...
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The impact of an ABC Catalyst program questioning the benefits of statins is already being felt by pharmacists
..a number of their patients had admitted ceasing their medication in the week since the first of the two-part Catalyst series looking into cardiovascular disease and statins aired.
“I have already had a couple of patients who, during a Home Medication Review, admitted to discontinuing statin therapy as a result of this program,” the Pharmacy News reader said. “Fortunately this was picked up early and few doses were missed. [These people are] high risk cardiovascular patients... It was very dangerous reporting to say the least.”
The pharmacists possibly don't talk to their patients enough: people most often stop taking statins because of pain. Pain which can be relentless.. some people "don't want to go on" with such pain. They learn that after stopping statins for 3 weeks, the pain subsides and they can resume living normally.
Some comments from the feedback sections for Part 1 and Part 2 of Catalyst's website:
"after being put on Statins at 51 for high Cholesterol, after a few weeks I was suffering severe muscle pain so stopped taking them"
" I ceased taking the drug Lipitor because not only did I suffer constant joint and muscle pains and extreme tiredness, I could no longer climb stairs. "
"about a year later I was convinced give statins another go on half the original dose - 10mg of Simvastatin - the leg pains returned within 2 weeks even though I wasn't running"
"Not only was every day a struggle in a range of ways from muscle pain to an unclear head, my hair was falling out (an apparently uncommon side effect). My cardiologist suggested I get a wig or wear a hat!"
My boss, a maths HOD retired unnecessarily because of mental confusion probably as result of statins. I gave them up myself because of joint pain which precluded me from running which I figured was better for me than the vague promises of lower cholesterol."
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