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Are all POWER OIS lenses unsuitable for handheld shooting?
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  • I finally got an answer from Panasonic factory about my questions of Panasonic 14-140 f3.5-5.6 OIS jittering in video. They said that my many jittering example videos looks normal and the OIS seems to work in factory standards and there is nothing wrong. It is not a surprise, what else they can say. They said the same thing about 35-100 f2.8 but still they made the FW fix. Now they still cant say that they have not heard about the issue.

  • I ran a quick repeat of the test I had posted previously and concur with @sportster : the OIS on the 35-100mm lens now appears to be similar in character to the OIS on the 12-35mm lens. Which is to say, not great, but definitely better than it was.

  • Great news! Hopefully they will do the same for 14-140mm II as well

  • I can't wait to see some new videos posted, Come on guys, get out there and shoot something!

  • @vesku: Thanks for your notification.

    I downloaded the firmware update and tested it @1080p and @4K. This firmware is a HUGE improvement. I would say, handheld OIS stability of the 35-100mm lens is now on par with the 12-35/2.8 lens @35mm and does not get significantly worse @100mm. However, in my hands there is still a slight jitter visible on both lenses.

  • I was planning on doing some shooting with 35-100/2.8 this weekend on my gx7. Don't know if I will have time to do a before and after, but I'm definitely going to upgrade.

  • 35-100mm f2.8 FW update !!!

    Can someone report if the jitter issue is fixed?

  • New example of jittering Panasonic 14-140mm f 3.5-5.6. Please complain to Panasonic is you have this lens.

  • No answer from Panasonic yet although I keep asking.

    Meanwhile we can enjoy jittering videos from Youtube ( GH4 + 14-140mm f3.5-5.6 ) :

  • I own the 14-140 v2 lens as well and I can fully confirm your findings. I previously owned the 10-140 v1 lens, which did not show this kind of jitter. However, optical quality of the v2 lens is much better at the long end.

  • Two more examples of 14-140mm v jittering OIS. Is there somebody else with same kind of videos? I need evidence for Panasonic.

    This is mine at 14mm:

  • @Brumbazz

    Are you sure it is the older 14-140 v1 F 4-5.6 ? I thought the jitter issue is the problem of newer version. Does it jitter when shooting stationary wide (14mm) clips handheld?

  • My 14 140 v1 jitters, it also has this strange behavior that when on a tripod, the lens does this strong jitter from time to time. I know it makes no sense to have the ios on but its just really annoying that it ruins the shot if I forget to shot it off. Its also a strong indication that something is really wrong with the way ios works.

    I'm to the point where I think ios is useless, and I think the jitters ruins the frames with jitter to a point thats not recoverable by post stabilization due to the smearing caused by the nature of the very fast movement of the jitter combined with slow shutter when filming.

  • One more vibrating 14-140 v2 lens:

  • Now I have tested the demo version of new Mercalli v4. It has good improvements. I can now stabilize many clips with assigning the same settings to all files. There is still not a possibility to save settings. I can now get rid of that micro vibration easily with lots of files.

    The luminance shift GH3/4 0-255 to 16-235 is corrected (hurray). It is funny because when I asked them earlier about it (v3) they said that the issue not exists but they have now corrected it silently.

    Rendering is still about the same than earlier and the bitrate goes easily very high with complex 4k scene.

    There are some new features like NR/sharpening and clip combining. There are also new stab features with very slow analysing but those are optional. I can not say much about stab IQ, I just started using it.

  • Sony A7 II joins the club.

  • Here are 3 more videos showing the 14-140mm v2 OIS vibration.

    The vibration shows even in these low res clips.

  • I owned both lenses and compared them. Yes, the 14-140 v1 is better for handheld Video, but it is much bigger and heavier. On the other hand, the 14-140 v2 has remarkable better sharpness and contrast in the 70-140mm range.

    For 4K recording I'd definitely prefer the 14-140 v2 as the micro jitter can be easily removed in post without significant sharpness degradiation using the software stabilizer built into my NLE (I'm using Edius).

    For 1080p recording I would use the 14-140 v1, as the sharpness disadvantage caused by the v1 lens is less visible than the sharpness degradiation caused by the software stabilizer.

  • Is it reasonable to conclude that for handheld video shooting the 14-140 v1 is better for OIS than the 14-140 v2?

  • The 14-42mm V2 works quite well - I´m using it since many months on a GH2 and a GM1.
    Dirt cheap, very lightweight and delivers very good IQ (also fit´s the GM1 perfectly) - Fully recommended ^^.

    LG

  • I have 14-42mm v1 but I have tested v2 and it seems to work quite identical to v1. v2 has better IQ.

  • @Vesku I agree to your findings.

    Are you talking about the 14-42mm 3.5-5.6 II lens? I don't own this lens, but I have the tiny PZ 14-42 3.5-5.6, which is rock steady as well. (BTW, although labelled with POWER OIS).

    Another fine lens without micro jitters is my trusty 45/2.8 Macro with MEGA OIS.

  • @v10tdi

    Thanks a lot for these tests. It confirms may findings well. I can be sure that my 14-140 v2 is not broken and this is a common property of my lens.

    The only micro jitter free lens in this test seems to be 100-300mm. It follows the hand movement but there is no fast micro jitter. Other lenses corrects hand movement well but then adds the nasty micro jitter. Worst is 35-100, then 14-140 v2, and then about equal 42.5 and 12.35. All these POWER OIS lenses has micro jitter. I wonder why there is so much movement in 100-300mm test, I usually hold my 100-300 much steadier.

    When I compare your POWER OIS tests to my 14-42mm my lens is rock steady handheld, much better than 12-35 or 42.5.

  • @sportster I did extensive "shutter shock" testing with these lenses (and a few others). My testing results indicated that only the 14-140mm mk2 lens had obvious "shutter shock" problem. Unfortunately, the problem is pretty bad with the 14-140mm mk2 lens resulting in pronounced image degradation. As a result of the problem, I have configured one of my Function buttons as a switch for the Electronic Shutter. The Electronic Shutter masks the issue, but has its own drawbacks.

    Back to movies...

    Yes, I agree that to my eye the Power OIS performance of the 35-100mm f2.8 lens exhibited the most severe "micro jitter" of the lenses in my tests, followed by the 14-140mm mk2. The 42.5mm also showed some "micro jitter," but not nearly as much as either the 35-100mm or 14-140mm mk2. To my eye the 12-35mm f2.8 lens had the least "micro jitter" of all the Power OIS lenses I tested. In my opinion, not a problem at all and roughly equivalent to the MEGA OIS of the 100-300mm lens (with allowance for difference in focal length).

    I also tested various stabilization products (SmoothCam and Lock and Load X) and they are both effective at eliminating the "micro-jitter" symptom with only a very small loss of framing. I think less than 1% crop would be enough to eliminate "micro-jitter" effect. Not terrible considering I needed up to 5% crop to eliminate the residual hand-held motion in this test footage (I'm an old, unstable bastard). Practically speaking, if you typically use a software stabilization product like these, then "micro-jitter" is probably not much of an issue. On the other hand, if you are a lazy, old, unstable bastard like me and just pop the card out of your camera and play unedited hand-held footage on your (U)HDTV, then the performance of Power OIS + hand-held movies is annoying at best.

    FWIW - Some months ago I did test Power OIS when the camera was attached to a tripod and did not detect any "micro jitter" with Power OIS on. Before the v1.2 firmware upgrade, my 12-35mm f2.8 lens did exhibit "micro jitter" with Power OIS off.

    When I get more time I'll probably test how these lenses and Power OIS performs when the camera is attached to a monopod.

  • Thank you for your effort and for posting your comparison. This exactly conforms to my own findings on my lens samples (except the 42,5 which I don't own).

    I think that all behaviour is built into these lenses by design. It's not a fault of specific samples. I suppose this might be a consequence of the size/weight relation of the moving parts used for OIS.

    Nevertheless, it's a shame for Panasonic that the most expensive 35-100/2.8 zoom behaves worst and that there is a big difference between the general marketing statements for Power OIS and the reality. OIS of the 35-100/2.8 lens is obviously optimized for stills and not for video. I tested that this lens is the only lens which avoids shutter shock on the older bodies like GH1 and GH2 which don't have an electronic shutter. I really like to use this lens for stills, but I would have appreciated to use it for handheld video as well due to it's great optical quality.

    I'm still hoping that Panasonic will sometimes release a firmware update for the 35-100/2.8 lens which improves the OIS for Video like they did for the 12-35/2.8 lens.