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Are all POWER OIS lenses unsuitable for handheld shooting?
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  • I have told in every post that the jitter issue is in 14-140mm II (II=mk2=new version).

    I saw with my own eyes the same jitter in updated 12-35mm f2.8 lens (H-HS12035 Ver.1.2)

  • And please note firmware version too. I've seen people complaining about the 12-35mm until they updated their firmware…

  • @Vesku Is that the original version?

    To everyone: It would be helpful if we put lens title and model number (because there are now MKII and it will be sure we know which lens we're talking about) and whether you experience the issue. And, if you know, whether it is mega OIS or Power OIS.

    Lens: Lumix 14-140 F4.0-5.8

    Model: VS014140

    OIS designation: Mega OIS

    Micro Jitter Problem: None

  • This issue cant be sample variation. One more to complain:

    http://www.dslrfilmnoob.com/2014/03/19/preparing-panasonic-gh4-lenses/

    "Mike March 20th, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    Hi, as for the 12-35 2.8 Panasonic lens I have tried it extensively and being the only alternative in that range, large aperture I guess it’s ok but I’m very disappointed with the stabilization. It does help a lot compared to a non stabilized lens but it does not “float” the picture like for instance a Canon stabilized lens. I get these bad micro vibrations in the picture when shooting handheld and have to use post production stabilization for all handheld clips."

    Sorry for bumping but I collect these complaints for Panasonic and for users to notice this issue. I think that many users just accepts that jitter or dont understand it.

  • I own a GX7 with the 14 - 140 II and have the same issue on handheld videos. MEGA OIS from my old 14-140 ( from GH2 Kit) is a lot smoother. For stills i use electronic shutter of the GX7 - because of the shutter shock . The new 14-140 II is sharper in stills and video but have the micro jittering in (handheld) video mode. Hope Panasonic can fix it with a fimware update and it is not an mechanical issue of the lens.

  • Here is a new test I made:

    MEGA OIS 14-42mm. POWER OIS 14-140mm. Both handheld at 14mm.

    Little vibration in POWER OIS but still big enough to ruin the shot:

  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev

    I just want to do formal things required in any testing.

    I dont exactly understand what that means? Do you need some test results?

  • Has anybody any kind of information, how serious Panasonic is about the topic ? The 12-35mm received a fix a long time ago, but they did not even acknowledge the issue with the 35-100mm. From my experience, all PowerOIS driven lenses have this issue. All my MegaOIS lenses are doing just fine. It's a shame that their very pricy lenses perform better in their best selling point video.

  • And what might then happen? Are you going to do something with this issue. Maybe inform your Panasonic contacts?

    Panasonic already reading your topic :-) You can be calm about it.

    I just want to do formal things required in any testing.

  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev

    And what might then happen? Are you going to do something with this issue. Maybe inform your Panasonic contacts?

    Thanks for caring our problem.

  • Can we make list of affected lenses?

    Make clear and short description of issues?

    Make short and test, may be even find exact reason of issue.

  • I can get steadier shots handheld at 300mm MEGA OIS than 14mm POWER OIS. That is absurd.

    This sums it up perfectly.

  • @brianl

    Thanks for your opinions and tips. I am not making films. I just take photos and videos to my and my friends needs. I can get perfectly acceptable videos handheld with MEGA OIS lenses. Why cant I get good results with POWER OIS even if I try very hard. I have steady hands and I shoot wide handheld. In fact I can get steadier shots handheld at 300mm MEGA OIS than 14mm POWER OIS. That is absurd.

  • @Vesku i am not saying pan. I am saying handheld is done for a certain raw aesthetic, or for portability and fast and dirty shooting. But zooming in tight and going for a locked down look is playing directly to the weakness of the lens and rig. You wouldnt put a camera on a tripod and try and create a handheld look. Yes i know, that's sometimes done in high end jobs but generally it isnt. Why make this hard? Add a pound or two to your rig, calm you nerves, zoom out, you wont have micro jitters. Or us a monopod. The gear is better than its ever been, but we still need to utilize our skills and experience to get a good shot. Camer can't do it all. The title of this topic seems crazy to me.

  • @Vesku It is the first version of 14-140 HD lens. Jump is small and rapid and aleatory. It happens on Black magic when I use a strong focal (140) but I'm on a stable monopod and I start doing very soft movement. Didn't notice such a behavior on my Gh2 or Gh3 bodys, neither with the 12-35, but I can't be more precise because I started shooting a lot on m43 not long ago.

  • @brianl

    Is that the tip for POWER OIS users. Dont use OIS, use a tripod or heavy rig. If you shoot handheld never stop the camera, just pan around all the time. ( In fact I am forced to do so and it helps a bit but video is restless if I move camera all the time)

    I cant carry a tripod or rig when I am hiking or taking photos and videos in events. Besides I can get very pleasing and steady shots with my MEGA OIS lenses. The new 14-140mm II is still optically so good that I just want to use it too.

    Post stab helps and it would be nice if Mercalli comes as free extra with POWER OIS lenses.

  • I see some micro jitters but that isn't good shooting technique for handheld, if you're determined to get a perfectly still shot, put the camera on a tripod and turn off the stabilizer. Handheld works best with more camera movement. Add weight to the rig will smooth it out too. And stay wide.

  • With the GH2, i've used the 14-140 (which i own) and the 35-100 (which i rented) - as much as I try to avoid going handheld, neither had "micro jitters" when doing so.

  • To add some more data. My old 14-140 (first version, f4.0-5.8) does NOT exhibit the micro jitters at all. But, this uses the older "Mega OIS". My 35-100 f2.8 definitely has the micro jitters. I have not seen any evidence of the micro jitters on my 12-35 f2.8. This is on the GH3.

  • @davjd

    New or old 14-140? Are the jumps small and rapid and all the time? Can you shoot stable stationary videos handheld? Do you have a Panasonic body. Is the situation same with it?

    Thanks

  • My 14-140 lens makes small jumps when I use it on the Black magic pocket camera. And it does when I don't move at all or I don't realize I'm moving, and using a monopod...

  • I will give honorable mention to the Nocticron, as it seems to be the first Power OIS lens they nailed in terms of getting rid of micro jitter. Hopefully the LX100, if it uses Power OIS (not Mega OIS), will also not have the issue.

  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev

    Some people cant see video quality issues even if they look long and hard and with someone telling what to look:)

    I just sended to Mercalli service people examples how their stab program changes GH4 luminance levels and they answered to me that they CANT SEE it. How funny.

  • @MarcioK

    If you will be focusing long enough and hard enough you'll see it in each video and after some practice start to see it constantly occurring with your own vision in real life.

  • Is just me, or in some footage samples from the LX100 there is some micro jitter too (in static handheld shots)?