The scary part is that this is how 80% of the population thinks. Will never be able to fix the problems because the problems require logical solutions... not emotional ones. And people will always respond to these with hostility, because real logic sounds threatening.

Thhis is also simple nature. The less you use your brain, the better you feel and the less energy you consume.
Nature prefers dumb people, not totally dumb, god forbid, but the one that will be able to fill out credit forms :-)

@KCG
Not to imply that you are slow, but your adversarial tone is unwarranted. Maybe you should read what I wrote again and yes government is the biggest contributor to unemployment sorry to break it to you.
<<<<<<<<<<<<< How does rephrasing your rhetoric adversarial? And why read your post again when you confirmed and verified my rephrasing of it?<br />And how does government destroy jobs again? We've had a 30 year cycle of deregulation. What do you think caused the housing bubble which in turn crashed the economy?
Sounds like B list right wing radio talk show nonsense.

@KCG

Unfortunately, each goverment is located on planet Earth :-(
So, they can't just do that you think is good.
Saving uncompetitive jobs is agaist all capitalism nature, as you keep job that produced much less income per product, so owners money drop. If you move jobs outside, you get it all - they are competitive, and give you much more money.

There are those who wish to make excuses for unemployment, my argument is that there should be no excuse for unemployment when you can create your own job instead of relying on others to furnish said job to you.

This approach don't work.
First, you can't just "create" your own job. You need money to buy thing necessary for this job, hire people you need for this job, produce or do something that is useful for other on this job.
Second, most people are unable to create "their own job". They can work and do that you ask them to do, but not make their own job. It is nature thing.

So, problems with jobs are not the cause and goverment only are not to blame.
Goverment and big business had been doing good thing - they wanted to save or increase average income being uncompetitive themselfs.

@cbrandin
This I know of Al Gore it was meant an attempt at sarcasm..
As it is the most common propagandistic belief, I agree!
Internet was created by Tim Berners lee, at least it is to him the creation of which deserves the most credit.
It is truly scary how much propaganda is passed as fact daily much of which goes unnoticed by the passive populous.

@brianluce
There are those who wish to make excuses for unemployment, my argument is that there should be no excuse for unemployment when you can create your own job instead of relying on others to furnish said job to you.
I completely agree that for those less inclined it is a damn shame that regulations in government have crippled the job prospects we should expect to go to our citizens.

"... internet! (and no Al Gore didn't invent it)"

Al Gore never claimed to have invented the internet. He claimed to have taken the political initiative to create it. Those who actually did invent the Internet completely agreed, and said so in an open letter which you can read here: http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~fessler/misc/funny/gore,net.txt

Propaganda... fodder for hard hearts and soft minds.

"By means of shrewd lies, unremittingly repeated, it is possible to make people believe that heaven is hell-and hell, heaven. The greater the lie, the more readily will it be believed” - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

@KCG
Education is one of best predictors of success in the job market, your personal experience notwithstanding.

"There is no excuse for unemployment, for anyone!"

There is an excuse for unemployment: There aren't enough jobs. Outsourcing, new softwares, automation, there simply aren't as many jobs as there used to be. Even Journalism gigs for local newspapers are getting outsourced to Mumbai College kids. Those are jobs Americans used to do.
I used to work in South Central LA, lots of welfare recipients there, I never met one who was happy or proud about it. In fact they hated it.

You have gone and proved i'm not a fundamentalist christian, the quote is still profound and relevant.

Wow I missed so much fun when I was out of town for the weekend. Not to intrude on what was obviously a very philosophical, and opinionated discussion, but It seems there is a lot of oversimplifying by certain parties straining at a nat.
Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, etc... Doesn't really matter... Facts are facts.... There are always jobs (whether or not we want to do them is another matter.)
Very few people have their ideal job, and the ones who do, have worked their @sses off and made them themselves. This requires no formal education only drive, determination, ingenuity, and even artistry; in fact in many cases formal education has served as a hinderance.
Most of the people I know that are successful don't even have a high school diploma. (no they are not drug dealers, and their businesses are 100% legit).
None of them were born into wealthy families, they simply saved and sacrificed their time and resources to become financially independent (of big business, Government, and the like).
Some of them are now struggling because the Government and officials (whom we pay) are looking for ways and means to stifle their economic growth through excessive taxing and regulations. For them this growth is dependent on hiring new people which they now cannot afford to do.
The solution really is to stop the growth of government and their power in our lives. We are more than capable to make our own decisions and suffer our own consequences. I stopped living under the rule of my parents when I was 18 and would never go back. Sadly most of us go from one oppressor to the next (Govt.) and find it far less fair than the rule of our parents and far more oppressive.
As long as they can keep us under their thumb and set us against each other by putting us into racial, social, or political groups, we become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
As to the matter of unemployment it is pretty self-evident.
I think Jesus put it best:
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day", (the next day he is still wanting, the consequence of this is you have hurt and not helped this person.) "Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."
Truer words were never spoken!
In this day and age we have a truly remarkable invention, called the internet! (and no Al Gore didn't invent it). Where anyone with a little motivation and willingness to learn, can make their dreams a reality. It still takes sacrifice and hard work, but everything worthwhile is.
There is no excuse for unemployment, for anyone!
and I stick to my original post regardless of race, social class, or political leaning.

"you can't make the lazy work, when the government allows them to SUCKLE the taxpayers TIT."

without reading through this entire thread, ill say what i think about the current state of the world.. completely fucked.

the reason for ALL of this is government and the propaganda of massive corporations, we cant rely on them anymore, we must do whats right for us, they have pushed us into this awful lifestyle. i cant even get into this because i will go on and on and give myself a headach.

your best bet at surviving in the future is to move to a rural area, somewhat highly elevated, with a good source of fresh water, and learn to do things on your own, be self sufficient, dont be so dependent on society. survival tactics are the only thing that will save us as individuals or even as packs.

if things keep going the way there going, and eventually everything breaks loose and society collapses, i know im not going to be caught in the middle of a highly populated area fighting with a million people over food, water and shelter.

I close my eyes for a few hours and wake up to this... What happened to this thread? :-)