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2K BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera, active m43, $995
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  • @BurnetRhoades @niGGo Thank you. Yes, I presume a lot of the poor footage is down to the users not the camera. Only seen a couple of really good examples of stuff looking nice. Going to pick up a BMCC and see how close I can get it and GH2 to match.

  • @Imackreath ...or you can drop your pre-order and use those funds to offset half the cost of the bmcc ;)

  • Yeah I am still not totally blown away by any of the footage bar 'Aukland in my Pocket', that however was shot with some expensive Canon glass so maybe thats the difference?

    It just seems so soft...and also the motion blur doesnt seem right on most of the footage...I always use 1/50 to get a nice motion blur, which translates to a 180 degree shutter on the BMPCC...are people not using this??

    I await Phillip Blooms tests to see what he can pull out of the camera...but right now based on the footage I have seen...plus the unknown of when I might actually get the camera I may be tempted to cancel my order and invest in some more glass for my hacked gh2....

  • I've heard not good things with SLR Magic glass multiple times. That's why I have Pany, Oly and Voigt lenses. :)

  • I've heard not good things with Pany glass multiple times. That's why I have the SLR Magic Cine set.

    @last_SHIFT You know, she presents herself as an expert and not just a hot chic talking about cameras. All I'm saying is anyone using a cheap Vari ND on one of the few cameras out there should not be considered a reliable source of anything. It's the same thing when some quasi famous internet review guy accused me of moving my Rokinon 35mm back and forth while I was trying to demonstrate how bad it breathes. Then he asked me what breathing is. It's just that kind of crap that grinds my gears! :)

  • @vicharris

    I was under the impression that Mr Cheesy Cam' studio shoot all their footage - hence they use the same gear, as does Oliviatech- very incestuous that lot. So if anyone's to blame it's not the chick. LOL

  • Jem: "The 14mm pancake that we used was crap. Very soft even stopped down."... Really?!?

  • @SuperSet No, I was trying to make a joke but yeah, if she was in charge of putting Vari NDs on that thing, she's an idiot. Period and shouldn't be reviewing brand new cameras since she has no idea what she's doing. Period :)

  • Philip has a production model from CVP, so the same one that everyone else has.

    As far as Softness goes, this is basically what happens when people don't sit down and look at what they've got before posting footage. Variable NDs = wrong, flat out wrong.

    Captain Hook's footage shows that it can be plenty sharp, so does some of John's footage (some of it was soft). Soon enough, though.

  • @vicharris her whole ensemble was quite impressive... seriously :)

  • Well that was just a stupid, pointless test. Hey, let me get this brand new camera, be the 5th person to show footage, know it has a crazy crop factor, most likely use one of the Vari NDs that sucks beyond 50mm on a FF, Lightcraft/Genus(Reg) and post it. Oh, I'll be in the sun with a tight white top so that's all that matters. Oh....wait......shit, my bad I guess that's all that really matters. My bad. Continue with your test ma'am :)

  • She did say that the softness was due to the variable ND filter she was using.

  • Don't know if anyone posted this here yet but here are are some more raw prores shots of some green screen stuff:

    https://www.copy.com/s/2QomHYpuyPpt/Ravens%20Public

    It was linked from a nofilmschool.com article posted on the 18th

    EDIT: http://nofilmschool.com/2013/08/download-prores-green-screen-pocket-cinema-camera-clips/

  • Reid will bring a blind leading blind manual out for his phalanx of adopters soon, fear not - book of Mormon? Meme Video - and if ever one of his believers makes it to a work situation the stinky meme will keep me lucratively working weekends , along with many more happy chaps!

  • Yeah, all that softness is what is bothering me. The DR is there, ok.… color as well. But what about the sharpness? It kinda reminds me the early days of Canon's h264. Will RAW improve that?? 'Aukland in my pocket' was the only real nice footage so far. JB also shot some cool stuff. Let's wait and see what PB can get.

  • Hopefully we'll get some better footage here. I'd say 75% of the footage is not sharp. I just don't know if people are having a hard time focusing with it. The colors are great but it almost looks like there's a softening filter put on most the footage. I'm not one for crazy sharp images either. I really like what the 2.5K is giving me. I don't get it.

  • The BMPCC footage did not look good in that video. The GH3 actually looked the best IMO.

  • Specially for you, that have nightmares with that thing called "crop-factor":

    For those not even interested in the BMPCC, the hot girl in the video is worth it.

  • hey hey. Some of the best looking films over the last few years were shot on s16..

    I can see why sensor size would be a concern for those who have limited means to get quality optics (are heavily invested in optics for larger sensors).

    For cinematography, though, sensor size is not a major factor. If you compare film and digital, there is actually a bigger difference in-between s16 and s35 (given the very clear texture differences) though it can be hard to spot with certain stocks. In between a s16 and s35 sized digital sensor, the differences are much smaller. Obviously there might be differences in texture but they might be nearly identical.. detail (the amount or lack thereof) won´t necessarily give away the sensor size. Images can be made to look one way or another.

    Optically, the differences need not be noticable at all, and you have the possibility of shooting with a normal DOF at lower light levels (or lower sensitivity) with the smaller sensor.. which is much more useful for moving images than having the possibility to shoot extremely shallow DOF on full frame..

    In my opinion micro four thirds (or thereabouts) is a perfect all round size for a digital sensor for moving images as it strikes a fine balance between the possible looks that can be had and the amount of light needed to obtain good results.

    If you need a sword you need a sword, if you need a knife you need a knife and if you need an axe you need an axe.

    The pocket cam will be a tremendous knife.

  • @SuperSet I think what people keep forgetting is that some people like PB(and I happen to like PB) are getting early preproduction models or I suspect the (hurry up and get it out the door ASAP)model so BMD can SAY "we shipped in July!"... of the camera.... I am sure that by the time our actual cameras ship next year around Xmas -- we will have audio meters and few other little issues resolved , like that whole RAW thing they promised...remember that?

  • Yes, he "was" my favorite living DP. I was very sad to read of his passing. It didn't matter what format he shot on, the result was fantastic.

    In addition to his work on the Viper folks should also look at other DP's work with the SI2K, a small format camera who's imagery is featured in films like Slumdog Millionaire.

    The Super 16 stuff is a great reference too. In addition to films you have fairly cinematic programs like The Walking Dead still shot on the format. I don't like how it looks broadcast but it's quite nice looking on BD.

  • Checked out Phillip Bloom's pre-review video and excited to see the rest of it. The audio monitors get me, though. How could they not have that?