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2K BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera, active m43, $995
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  • nomadnomad

    Now compared the 10mm CZJ Tevidon 1:2 with the Schneider Cinegon 10mm 1:1.8. My first impression was right: the Schneider is a tiny monster, sharp WO into the corners and better contrast. Even stopped down to 5.6, the Schneider stays ahead, but the difference shrinks. Both have quite some barrel distortion.

    A good Cinegon fetches twice the price of the Tevidon, though.

  • nomadnomad

    Tried a Kern Switar AR 16mm 1:1.8. It shows quite some vignetting and the corners get soft WO. From 2.8 the corners improve considerably, center sharpness is excellent from the start.

    This lens is tiny, BTW!

  • TrumpetmanTrumpetman

    @jimmykorea I would agree that the Panasonic lenses have a "video" look to them on the GH cameras, but not on the pocket cam. I never use the Lumix lenses on my gh2 or gh3, but just from looking at John Brawley's footage with the pocket cam and the 12-35, I think the Lumix lenses might be a pretty good match. I'll be interested in seeing what my 14-140mm, 14mm, and 20mm lenses look like on it. I actually think they might be a good combo with the primes doing most of the work and if the 14-140 doesn't cut it, then I wouldn't hesitate to pick up the 12-35 based upon the initial footage.

  • oscillianoscillian

    Just bought a Computar 8mm f1.3 C-mount TV lens that covers 1" sensors. Equals 24mm wide on the Pocket Rocket. Looking forward to July! Lets hope BM keeps their delivery dates...

  • johnbrawleyjohnbrawley

    @jimmykorea I just sold my 14-50 PanaLeica. It's a great stills lens. It's not a very good video lens. There's problems with the way the focus action "bounces" when you switch focus direction.

    The 12-35 is a good match. No adaptor. It's small. It's a constant 2.8.

    jb

  • vicharrisvicharris

    Yeah, seems like I would just use Panys 14-140 instead of that Tamron. Seems like a useless lens to be introducing now.

  • everoevero

    Not sure in what way that tamron would give more cinematic footage. It's not particular fast, so "wide" it will have problems rendering shallow DOF, it's more of a all-purpose lens. Ofcourse the color and contrast rendition could be different than the panasonics, so that remains too see.

    My hope would be if tamron (or sigma?) released a fast stabilised normal zoom for M4/3.

  • jimmykoreajimmykorea

    I'm wanting a decent stabilised zoom for the camera. I find the Panasonics offerings unappealing and make for video looking footage, including the highly overrated 12-35mm. I'm frustrated as so far the only option that looks great is the Leica 14-50mm 4/3 which with an adapter it's going to be massive on the PCC, expensive and has some practical flaws from what I've heard? (doable but not ideal)

    Which is why I'm curious about this lens.

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/918951-REG/tamron_14_150mm_f_3_5_5_8_di_iii.html

    Otherwise I'm out of ideas. Any ideas?

  • everoevero

    @balazer thanks for clarifying. The lumix 14mm with wide angle converter is worth concidering. For me it would add to much bulk and I think more trouble with ND-filters etc. Not sure if realistic, but I would really hope a 9mm mft budget prime would come to market. Who knows..

  • balazerbalazer

    Nikon CX lenses cannot be adapted to m43. The flange focal distance of Nikon CX is too short for how big the lenses are relative to the m43 opening.

    You want a fast, wide, compact lens that covers Super 16 and can be adapted to m43? Plenty of choices. Not cheap though. :)

    Don't overlook the Lumix 14 mm f/2.5 with a wide angle converter.

  • everoevero

    Probably a dead end, but I have to ask: If a Nikon CX to MFT adaptor was made, would prime nikon CX-lenses work? In theory they would cover the BM pocket sensor, but I fear that other obstacles (like sensor distance and controlling focus/aperture) would make it hard? The interesting lens would be the 10mm f/2.8, which is a perfect combo; "fast", wide, cheap, compact. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/823598-REG/Nikon_3306_1_Nikkor_10mm_f_2_8.html

  • nomadnomad

    A few more tests (simulated on a GH2):

    – The Schneider Cinegon 10mm 1:1.8 in silver version (large front lens with 55mm thread) does not vignette. The widespread information that it has a smaller image circle than the black version (small front lens) is obviously wrong, which seems logical to me. It is even described in current PDFs from Schneider as being good for 1" ( http://www.alliancevision.eu/products/optics/fixed-focal-lenses/schneider-optics/#lenses_standard ). It fit's normal, cheap c-mount adapters for infinity and is pretty sharp wide open, but it has quite some distortion. If anybody can tell me how to deactivate lens correction for the Panny 7-14 in Apple Aperture, I can lend one and compare.

    – The Schneider Variogon 18-90 T2 is a heavy beast with 810 grams. It is OK wide open, only the corners lack a bit, but it improves considerably from T4. It fit's cheap adapters getting to infinity but will need support. No vignetting, smooth aperture, focus and zoom with nearly constant length. Not parfocal on my adapter, may need some shimming.

    – A relatively cheap Fujinon TV Zoom 18-108 f2.5 was a surprise. It is quite soft wide open but improves considerably at 5.6, corners even better than the Schneider and it doesn't vignette. It weighs about half as much and is very thin. Smooth zoom and over 180 degree throw focus with minor change in length, but clicked aperture. Parfocal on my cheap adapter!

    As soon as I get the special adapter for the Tevidon 10mm, I'll post a comparison against the Schneider. But I suppose you'll need to wring the Schneider 10mm out of my cold hands, since my sample looks like new and is so perfect apart from the distortion…

  • philiplipetzphiliplipetz

    @eyeiaye As far is known there is only one person with a prototype, John Brawley. Watch his johnbrawley.wordpress.com blog for the next leak.

  • eyeiayeeyeiaye

    Somebody with a prototype please show us the pocket with a 17.5 Vöightlander

  • fehafeha

    @Flaaandeeers , thank you, than it is cinematic look even with 12-35, that's great :-)

  • FlaaandeeersFlaaandeeers

    @feha Actually the only footage from the BMPCC that we've seen until now was taken by John Brawley with Lumix 12-35

  • Chaos123xChaos123x

    Love to see the pocket with a 17.5 Vöightlander. Love to see if this baby can do some decent shallow depth of field with that lens.

  • fehafeha

    @kholi , please can you make some test video with 12-35 on BMPCC ?

  • soundgh2soundgh2

    The 35-70 and 28-85 are v nice lenses indeed (apart from being dust hoovers) lovely sharp and Zeiss character. The 35-70 is parfocal also - some contax zeiss tests here with the speedbooster.

  • kazuokazuo

    @TGDude,

    I have the Zeiss 18mm f3.5, 28mm f2, 50mm f1.4, 60mm Makro f2.8, 85mm f1.4, 35-70mm f3.4 and 28-85mm f3.3-4.

    I use them with a set of Schneider Century 4x4 filters, and the resulting imagery can be quite astonishing.

    The 18mm is good for wide shots, even on a m4/3. I use both GH2 and VG20, so the lens is versatile depending on the nature of the project. If I'm shooting an architectural commercial, then I would go with the VG20, which gives me a 1.5x crop.

    The zoom lenses are fantastic for run and gun. Having said that, they hold their own very well with regard to narrative work. I recently shot a 20min dramatic film with only the 28-85mm on a GH2. I acquired 97% of the footage with this piece of glass, and shot the rest (interviews) with the Makro lens.

    The result was quite good really, and colleagues and fellow professionals couldn't quite believe i didnt use a prime lens.

  • TrackZillasTrackZillas

    @Kholi so that means the BMPCC will has greater resolution than the GH3 than am I right.. Love the way the images look on the Pocket camera soo similar to his bigger brother BMC. Man if I would of known I would of ordered though Hot-Rod as well, but I believe I'll get it from the first shipment to B&H.

  • qwerty123qwerty123

    @Kholi Just placed my order with HotRod... They charge for shipping, unlike some other places (I'm on the East Coast, USA), but I figure it's good to support "the little guy," and I'll likely (hopefully) get it sooner than if I preordered elsewhere.

  • kholikholi

    @TrackZillas

    Let's remember sharpness is not the same as resolution. GH3's equipped with internal processing in that regard, BPC won't be.

    Earlier the pre-order, the more likely you are to get it I'm sure. There were a lot of Preorders the day of at BH though!

  • TrackZillasTrackZillas

    @Kholi I ordered my BMPCC on the second day after announcement from B&H you think I might get it in the first shipment? I think the BMPCC will match the GH2-GH3 in sharpness.

  • kholikholi

    @qwerty123 Definitely HotRod Cameras. And try some smaller shops if you're in the LA area.

    Also, try quiet US States... believe it or not, I recommended to a friend to go to his local shops and try to preorder EF-BV1, he got his camera like ONE week later than his preorder, while everyone else was still waiting. Oof.

    Adorama, as well.

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