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AVCHD maximum image quality settings and testing
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  • @Grunf who's settings you using? chris's?
  • @gunf and @driftwood

    Also my old 720p50 clips offered with its original Firmware B-frames. With the leaked Firmware nowadays B-frames are gone.

    I guess in this respect leaked Firmware got a buck or is an older version.

    So, if somebody needs the GH2 guarantee (at least in Europe) it could be shown that it is running with the leaked Firmware.
  • @Stray I have the 32 GB 45Mbs Extreme Pro card and got the unable to write to disk error in all modes. I had to set the camera to NTSC, format the card and reboot. (I tried PAL again later but no joy). Something odd. I bought the card from Amazon in the UK so I'm not expecting it to be a fake.
  • @Watkinm
    The GH2 doesn't utilize the UHS-1 technology in that card so that is why you get an error. If it did your card would be plenty fast enough, but since it doesn't, the speed of the card is too slow for the hack. Sell the card on ebay, take a small loss if you have to, and get the 32 gig Sandisk class 10 30Mb/s card.
  • @watkinm Weird, I've have no problem with an 8gb card. Maybe the smaller cards let you get away with it. But yeah, I'm buying different cards now, got some Extreme 30Mbps the other day. Saw someone mention some class 6 cards they were using with the 66M AQ2 I will have to find the post.
  • I have a GH2 hacked to KAE's 65/3 and several 8GB SanDisk Extreme Pro UHS-1 cards. No issues besides in-camera playback.
  • So I've read this whole thread (*whew*), and I'm very excited to start hacking my GH2, but I'm worried about the spanning issues because I shoot a lot of interview stuff. I'm a bit confused right now. Are there ANY hacked settings that improve quality without any issues at this time? People keep mentioning cbrandin's 44mb settings, but at one point I read there were spanning issues, and I never read anywhere else that they had been overcome, unless I just missed it.
  • The 44Mbps would last at least 12 mins before reaching 4GB limit.
  • @Tristan
    The 44mb setting also comes with a 32mb setting that is the 24L menu spot. The 32mb setting has been good for most people when it comes to spanning.
  • @Tristan
    The "24L" setting for Chris's 44mb patches will probably span, as it's only about 32mb. Not tested, but 32mb seems to be the limit for reliable spanning.
  • I have been away for 20 days, filming in the Ardeche, France.
    Used a combi of Lpowells in camera anamorphic and moderate/slightly adjusted Ptools 1.62 settings.
    Results look promising and now i would like to test cbrandin's 44 mbs settings in combi with Lpowells anamorphic settings.
    Is there any way that one of you guys can post this combi as a patch file so i can flash both simultaniously?
    THANX!
  • anyone land on settings yet that optimize image size? Sure would be nice to have a "sticky" function so that we don't have to weed through every post to find the best / optimized settings.
  • @stonebat @Brian202020 @bdegazio

    Awesome, thanks. I'll give that a shot.

    What do you think are the possibilities of the spanning issue being solved eventually with the higher bit rates? Is it a hardware limitation, or just will take time experimenting and/or a ptools update?
  • Finalised 720p and 1080i testing see above.
  • Here's my favourite settings. 'Beautiful buffers' - maximum use of bandwidth = highest quality AQ2 for 1080p24 and AQ4 for 720p. Great 720p/1080p24. 1080i is nice too (though had to make 1080i LONG GOP - never harmed Sony ;-) ).

    Includes: 132M Short GOP 3, 56M 1080i FSH Long GOP/1080p60SH default GOP, 48M 1080i/60FH & 108060pH - GOPs as above respectively.

    Try 'em out. ;-)

    Note: Low settings have to be fairly high (ie close to highest bitrate settings) to get stability of buffers. No other settings required. The only thing which may need testing is the cadence issue. The buffer charts for all settings are beautiful and peaking to highest bandwidth.

    * Over 200 tests done to get matching settings working. All tests done on manual setting so report back. If they fail at SH try H - its still close.

    Tip: If 56M video bitrate FSH/SH setting causes a few crashes, just drop it down 1M to 55M. Nothing else.
    Driftwood 'Beautiful Buffers' and Great Quality across the board - setd.zip
    641B
  • Thank you Driftwood for your long work and dedication in striving for the best!

    I'll let you know how it works.

    BTW, I see you're setting 720 AQ to 4 (All to details).
    Can this be set to 2 or 3 without changing anything else?

    I'm wondering this since Ralph's HDMI tests show that 66M AQ4 settings were going soft on motion for AQ4, but were much better on AQ2.

    Did you look closely at motion quality for 720 60P using AQ4?
  • Ralph,
    You have done a lot to help us here.
    One thing that I constantly hear from some GH2 users that they are hesitant in going with the hack since there are few tests that show the difference in image quality between stock settings and the hack.

    Is it possible to offer a couple more tests that compare say Chris's 66Mb AQ2 to stock for motion and static?
    One test could be at ISO160, another maybe at ISO800. I mention ISO800 since it's somewhat of a higher ISO, but not real high and can be considered a useable ISO. ISO800 is high enough to introduce a fair amount of noise and cause some demand on AVCHD, but not so high that someone may say I would never use it.

  • So far, @cbrandin 66 mbit is producing some real good picture quality images for my works. I'll try your new settings today @driftwood . I'm testing everything just from a personal non-technical view, of course.
  • Recorded my first video with hacked firmware on GH2. Used @cbrandin 's 44 settings and recorded an 11 second shot. no problem. plays back fine on camera. Settings were 24H, Cinema, nostalgic, iso160 imported to adobe premier pro v5.0 project set up to AVCHD 1080p 23.976fps setting, and it wont play correctly, I recorded panning across a room and there are major blurry streaks and distortion in the clip.
    Any help appreciated!!
  • @donniewagner I've seen those effects in Premiere Pro if the playback isn't set to full resolution (I don't know why because it appears to be more than scaling artefacts, it's looks like decompression issues to me)
  • inital test of driftwood's latest showed good stability. 720 and 1080i have often been unstable with card errors.
    I always test with 14-140 lens and big zooms and pans with autofocus. These all handled that.

    When the default gop rate is doubled, as the 1080i in driftwood's latest, the bitrate is halved, correct? So the 1080i bitrate is actually 29. I'm not sure how that actually affects quality.

    But it all looks good. And stable so far.
  • @proaudio4 720p60 SH mode is VERY close to the bone - ie it may fail under some conditions. However the H setting is pretty close to it and should be fine. Yep, go ahead and change AQ to less than 4 and you should get more bandwidth available to movement.

    I need reactions on cadence (try T4 = T1 if you see any) and obvious reactions on 720p (which was the main essence of my test. And tests on different AQ on the 720p/1080i.

    You should get in camera playback on all settings... haven't tested span - try it on 720p.

    Over to you guys now to improve it - Ive done enough! :-)
  • @chauncy I took a leaf out of Sony's book on using LONG GOP for 1080i. Its very messy at GH2 stock settings and causes havoc with the buffers when lifting bitrate. There are many threads basing their opinion on low bitrate Long GOP - so long as the i frames are high and good they can often outperform Intra i/ short GOP with higher bitrates - and should in theory be easier on the NLE.

    Panasonic seem pretty useless on their own default settings - they all exhibit cpb_delay errors so Ive just pushed ahead with getting stable buffers (I have to work to constants on the buffer analysis because I'm after settings which will work all the time)
  • Thanks Driftwood!
  • @diftwood........Thanks a lot for the hard work the quality is as sweet as (a word is yet to be invented how sweet it is). These are more than enough to produce some professional videos. Maybe even broadcast quality who knows.
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