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GH2 Moon5´s at its best. Thriller movie preview.
  • Color is not final, noise is a glitch from magic bullet mojo.

    GH2 Moon trial 5 Rokinon Cine lenses 24mm T1.5 35mm T1.5 Premiere pro CS5.5

    Cinematography and direction by me

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  • @endotoxic That was really good, and the music choice was a judicious match. I'm in agreement with kholi re: girl with horse video.

  • damm @kholi, you shure have a good eye. There was a problem in timeline and yes it was not me the one making this cut. I must admint im not good editor, i rush myself too much with my footage. Usually a good edition takes days for some minutes. I agree with you, and i will make them re edit the footage from the horse and the chick since its very beautiful footage that was edited in 1 and a half day for delivery by me :( ... each time i learn more about editing and the final execution of it, is so minuscule the details you must consider to make the footage shine. Thank you very much for your advice!!!

  • The only thing wrong with this final cut's the black spaces in between shots. Tell the guy or gal that cut it that it's 23.98 footage, take it off of the 29.97 timeline that they set it up on and put it back on a 24 timeline to get rid of the black frames.

    In my opinion, since you're asking for them, this final cut makes your work look a lot better on most levels. =] I've watched your other videos, personally, I would like to see the one with the chic and the horse recut by this same person if it wasn't already.

    The cut that you have up is very hard to watch.

  • Hello, this is the final render for the handbags. I hope You like it, but i prefer my thriller cut. GH2 has amazing quality.

  • @endotoxic I tottaly agree. It's about feelings and motion. Playing with technics to get those moments. It's really silly to tie up our hands and say "you can't do that"... Because you can! And that's the genius about it :) keep experiment and reach out for new ideas. Only way to become a master IMHO. I agree with @TrackZillas, you can get up there. Don't stop showing us stuff! :)

  • @fix , i didn't knew who Franck Leclerc was , but men, it make me understood more now with its reel, and how much you can push DOF angles and aberrations to take advantage of composition and feeling. thank you very much, as im typing this i must admit this reel has added a plugin in my arsenal. Also bring me new ideas since glass finally is the medium where light is given its final flavor.

    @TrackZillas , i must do better from now on, i have good people here making critics and telling truths. i can only go up from there. Thanks!!!

  • @endotoxic Keep doing your thing great work, all you can do is go up from there.

  • @endotoxic I loved it! it seems like you got inspiration from Franck Leclerc :)

    For you who dont know DOP Franck Leclerc:

  • thank you very much @mshires. I put lots of effort on it, you kind comments put me in happy moods.

  • I really liked the look of this. I especially liked the way focus hunted and seemed very appropriate to the mood and the characters. Nicely done!

  • "Saying that shallow-DOF is a "home-video-look" is just objectively false. It makes no sense at all."

    It makes even less sense to repeatedly counter an assertion no one has made in this thread.

  • @endotoxic Seems to me you achieved what you set out to do. I thought it looked damn good, and the shallow depth of field seemed to give it a feeling that we were in another zone/place where crazy things happen between people that we never really see in regular life. This out of focus background stops the viewer from being able to logically identify where the location is...and that works to place us in that zone/place. Soon the viewer simply is in this new place...and waiting to see what happens. Well done. I'd say keep following your instincts - you're onto something good here.

  • Thanks @Hallvalla you are the only one to like it for what it is. Thanks, also if you have comments please feel free to make them

  • The complete shot (9am to 7pm cost me a grand totl of $1300. Make up artist, stylist, hair makeup, 1 camera man, 1 asistant director 1 producer and lost of balls and hard work. I hope i can make even beter looking fotage in the future, im begining to feel the 8 bit limit when trying to give more DR and more color. Alway noise comes along, eve though moon 5 holds quiet well on each shot for post.

    Thanks @Vitaliy_Kiselev for your hard work, now this webpage is paying of !!! hard work pays off, in diferent levels. Not just Cinema or hack, there are other people beting for you an to you. Also thanks to @driftwood for your hard work!!! i wouldnt by an GH2 if it wasnt for your patches. They really have something special on them.

    Cheers

    Jonas.

  • There's nothing wrong with using shallow DOF, liberally even. It's questionable when it's used simply because it can be and not for a specific reason, whether that reason is to direct the viewer's eye or to convey some emotional component through the overall aesthetic of movement, sound and focus. Ask yourself why you're shooting it in this way in the greater question of why are you showing the viewer this shot at all. Arriving at this takes practice though so the haters should check themselves or offer up their own footage for inspection and pointed critique.

    Rather than turn into another DOF hater thread (that being the easy critique, like reducing anamorphic photography to horizontal flares and oval bokeh) this thread could have been more meaningful if it would have been a discussion on the economy of shots/cuts. "Why am I looking at this/Why am I showing the audience this?" is more important than whether or not the focus was shallow or deep.

  • I liked the look, good job.

  • its not "elite" proper focusing, either proper focusing is 5.6 dear spacewig, the focusing is for centering the atention.

    No, I just meant that the trend of simply calling shallow-DOF "amateur" and "home-video-ish", because it's now available to a lot of people, is elitist. Home video cameras have NEVER had shallow-DOF before 3 years ago. Saying that shallow-DOF is a "home-video-look" is just objectively false. It makes no sense at all.

    I do actually like deeper focus myself... but shallow-DOF is not instantly amateur. To MOST PEOPLE (aka. your audience) shallow DOF will still be perceived as more cinematic.

  • @spacewig, it seem that we are mixing up things here. @bwhitz, its not "elite" proper focusing, either proper focusing is 5.6 dear spacewig, the focusing is for centering the atention. It another tool, just like iso, frames, shutter, it adds up for the sensation.

    I must admit i would like to be more on focus with my last footage, but i must agree also with @svart. This footage flows good, and it gives the intended emotion i wrote on the script. Even though i dindt have an operator, i think was pretty well done for 30 min, with no more than 3000Watts on light, and complete darkness.

    Also spacewig you cant judge just cos of framing and focus, if that was the intention and cinema is an art form, how can you say what is right or wrong? This are tools, and i agree with you about focusing properly, but there is no rule about proper focus for creating a sensation, it all ads up. So i think you have here an issue with DOF and othe people that really THINk is the right way.

    Its like you telling me how to eat or not, there is so many food, and so many ways to eat it, that the only thing they share is they enter your mouth. The flavor, well, thats another story.

  • Elite? You've misread or misunderstood what I was trying to communicate. I never said that a film had to have deep focus, what I said was when the image is out of focus it looks bad and seems like the camera is in the hands of an amateur, kind of like cropping the chin of an actor of having him part way out of the frame. And the number of videos being made with this problem has been compounded due to gratuitous d.o.f. porn that is a corollary to filming with a DSLR.

  • I thought the shallow DOF actually worked. It put me in a more dream-like surreal state, it was totally justifies in a film like this.

    I don't care how 'cinematic' these f/.01 lenses are supposed to be, if the images are out of focus it looks like amateur home video not a serious attempt at filmmaking.

    I think this goes in the category of "things people are just saying now". For MOST PEOPLE and audiences, shallow DOF is STILL more related to 'cinema' than deep focus. It's really stupid that people are trying to flip the tables now that shallow DOF is commonly available. It's honestly just a bunch of bullshit elitism. When all cameras were 1/3" chip... deep-DOF was amateur. Not that everything has a large sensor... shallow DOF is amateur. Does anybody see the obvious psychology here? Whatever is widely available to people (or is a new trend), is discredited as "amateur", in an desperate attempt to separate them from the "pros" and "elites".

    I'm not saying this video is beyond criticism... but the idea that "shallow DOF" is now "amateur" is really freaking dumb. Deep DOF, TO MOST PEOPLE, is much more amateur and TV-show-like than cinema... no matter how much the threatened elitists clamor otherwise.

  • @endotoxic Yes, keeping the DR in check is hard, but don't forget that the movie industry does it everyday. Lighting is probably the most important part of a good looking shot. The production design is probably second and the camera 3rd. Movies are lighted a lot brighter in real life than you see on the screen and they stop the lens down a bit, centered around F5.6(sweet spot for most lenses). This gives sharper frames but also increases contrast a little bit too.

    As far as your hard light, you can use "frost" gels instead of diffusion. Frosts and/or opals will soften the light slightly but leave the beam mostly intact. You might try them if you want to soften the light slightly but still keep a hard looking light. Also, don't be afraid to raise your base exposure with fill light. Even a small amount of heavily diffused light will help drastically.

  • @spacewig

    When you elaborate like that, it seems like we are in perfect agreement. :) It might have sounded harsher than your intention.. Or it might have been my reading.

    @endotoxic I like the look of your other video a lot, but I think you could edit it down a lot, too without loosing any of the artistry / story (maybe the other way around). Kill a few darlings. ;)

  • Thank you @svart :) there the shoot was mainly T2-2.8 maybe i should stayed with T3.5 iso 500 and a propper 4x4 ND. I decided to used the variable ND since when i was walking the light was on the floor and the luminosity from meter to meter changer very much. GH2 is no Dinamic range winner, and keeping the footage in proper exposure is some times hard when hard light is used. I must practice my shots well before making them happe. Thanks for the advises.

  • I think it's pretty decent. I also think that Spacewig has very valid points here. Also I'll second that having fast lenses doesn't mean you should open them all the way up and not worry about lighting. I see that Endotoxic did some decent lighting but I also think maybe his lens irises were too open and that contributed to the overly soft look. In good cine lenses you can run wide open and not worry a whole lot about softness but SLR lenses are completely different in this regard. Add a little fill light and stop the lens down a stop or two.

    Otherwise, I like it. It's well edited and flows a lot nicer than a lot of amateur vids where folks are whipping a handheld camera around.

  • @spacewig

    THank you very much for the comments, im in a learning prosess, and by having people like you putting hard truth is good for me. Im not a D.O.F fan though, you should look at my other work, i usually prefer T4 ir T5.6

    Since it was the first time i operate the camera with 3 rings at the same time (Variable ND, Focus, Aperture) and had no follow focus since "some one that owns this web page" have not give me back my bad part when i bough it. So it was hand held, first timer with 3 rings , iso 400, shutter 40 ( since ive found it has the best cadence for 24p of all ) rokinon 24 T1.5. I wanted to make it personal make it T2 or T2.8 for face, and T5.6 for wide steady shots. Since the light was set by me, and the actors where alone with me and the camera on hand. I must admit i should practised more on my skills, and YES you are right " is the perfect opportunity to hone your craft and become more intimate" but since im the cinematographer (in early stages yes) i cant become more intimate than this, so im really glad you made your opinion. :)

    Casting girl, wow one of the top midle age model in Perú my country. 38 years old. She is very pretty.

    Please feel free to se other work from me, i assure you its not that bad with the focusing ( exept for my heavy adiction to long shots and shoulder mounting camera wich makes it more dificult )

    @RRRR Thanks for the kind comment. My intentions posting this was for adquiring some more personal views. :)

    Here are some othe moon footage:

    This one was made on B&W in a slaughter house.

    This is moon and apocalipse, moon is better.

    Here the images of the model on the first video. Jessica Vasquez

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