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Confessions of a VDSLR Shopaholic
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  • @last_SHIFT

    <<<<<'How do I get a cinematic look?'>>><<<br />
    I've heard that question a million times and never really known what is meant. My interpretation is just have good production value. One of my bosses used to say "The show has to look like a million bucks". That's a good summation. "Cinematic" is the wrong term I've always felt, properly lit and shot video can look like a million bucks.
  • IDK about with cameras, but in the guitar world, this is called "GAS" (Gear Acquisition Syndrome). Shameless plug: anyone looking for high quality custom guitars that have a certain "hacked" quality, check out Warmoth.com and UnofficialWarmoth forum. I learned everything I know about guitars on that forum, much like cameras here. Lots of really nice, helpful knowledgable people willing to help each other.
  • I conceded to these:

    - Screw AF, and get MF lenses for video. Mostly true. Using m43's AF-C feature has been rare. Plus more aliasing. Some fast MF lenses are sharp at 2.0 or faster. Big glasses do help. e.g. Samyang 35mm f/1.4. No I'm not buying it... YET...

    - Stabilize with tripod, monopod, shoulder rig, stabilizer, or whatever. I hate carrying more gears, but software stabilization can't replace it. Camera shakes lower the overall bitrate.

    - Digital post-processing cannot fix bad footage. It doesn't work like RAW photo. It can enhance only good footage. Get it right in the first place.

    - High ISO won't save it. GH2VK's ISO 1250 looks OK. But it's close to GH17's 1000. Just a tad bit better as GH17's 800 is cutoff. In low lighting it would require 2.0 or faster lens with the ISO cap. Again big glass fast MF lenses with good corner sharpness. Unless one can afford 2.0 Olympus prime zoons, gotta load up fast primes. That implies carrying and switching multiple lenses unless one has multiple bodies. Another way is controlling light... but that's not always an option.

    - In-camera audio recording sucks.
  • I'm looking at home movies I made 4 years ago with my Lumix DMC-FX01 and they blow away anything I'm doing now. LOL boy I'm an idiot!
  • @Mark I like your quote, too.

    @last_SHIFT "cinematic look" is usually BS obsession.

    @Roberto Less is more. i.e. owning less items will leave more time to master the gears and tools.

    I'll get busy this week... selling the gears I rarely use. A small goal for this week. Finish reading a lighting book.
  • Yes, sometimes when all the gear-buying's done, we look at all those items and wonder what we'd bought them for. Only later when we remember that we had set out wanting to make beautiful movies do we discover we had indeed chosen the tools needed for the task. For me. the acquisition of material possessions is often associated with a degree of guilt. It takes a while for me to do enough work to feel that I deserve the gear. What also helps me lately is a genuine sense of gratitude to the unknown workers who've made the gear affordable for me. I only hope some of those 150 million internal Chinese immigrants manage to gradually improve their lives.
  • This all reminds me of these countless threads we have on forums....'How do I get a cinematic look?'

    Have a cinematic mind - in other words...have a story to tell!
  • @stonebat Lots of wisdom there! Also I love your fantastic last quote: "Do it until it becomes boring, then keep doing it until it becomes beautiful". That applies hugely in music too - if I've rehearsed so it's boring to me, chances are I've just about got to the point where I can be inspired to make it beautiful for a live audience. There's a similar but not identical quote around this same subject of expertise: "Amateurs practise until they get it right; professionals practise until they don't get it wrong".

    I think one of the hardest (for me) challenges in doing video work is in knowing what will work in editing, and what can't be rescued and needs to be redone (and having the guts to ask for it to be redone when everyone's under time pressure or getting tired).

    From another life, spent doing broadcast audio work for many years, you definitely learn that it's easier to get it right at the time than to try to rescue it afterwards. And with experience, you get to know exactly what to ask your colleagues / the "talent" for, to make it right. If that makes sense!

    Anyway, yes, it's not (totally) about the gear. My own pet hobby-horse is that the best gear won't make you better, it will give you the possibility of better.
  • I know a guy who does amazing work at almost everything he touches. Yes he does only one thing at a time.

    He repeats this quote to himself over and over: “Do it until it becomes boring, then keep doing it until it becomes beautiful.”
  • If I could start over again - I would have started this 20 years ago :-)
  • @Mark_the_Harp .. Hear! Hear!
    @stonebat ... That's GFC V.2.0 survival talk! I like it!
  • If I can start all over again...

    I would readsome books about lighting and color. Then I would use existing gears to take video. No HD? Fine. No 1080p? Fine. No 24p? Fine. iPhone, old compact camera, or whatever. Just take some video. Import into editing tool. Learn how to edit first (e.g. Premiere Pro CS5, Avid). Learn how to apply color correction (e.g. MBL, Colorista II). Try various effects (e.g. AE CS5). Try all necessary plug-ins. No need to buy any of them. Use trial versions. Trial expired? Reinstall OS. Try again. 60 days should be enough to learn basic stuff. Also use a laptop's built-in audio recorder to record audio and try to edit it.

    While learning the softwares, start looking for "cheap" vdslr deals. e.g. GH1. Usually good idea to get a cheap zoom kit lens. Panasonic or Canon or whatever. Also cheap MF old lenses from ebay. Just a couple of lenses good enough to start. Normal and short telephoto FOV will do it. e.g. 24mm and 50mm lenses for 2x crop system. Just learning a body takes... a while. Try to get decent footages with the basic gears and make sure to edit nicely.

    That might take months. 3 months... tight. 6 months... maybe. Possibly a year. Total cost so far is $1K + software. To bring down the cost of software... FCPX or something like student discount.

    Then buy a tripod and a shoulder rig. Try to get good footages with new gears. Then Sound? FF? MB? Filters? Cage? Sound? Lighting? It depends. One at a time. Each time try to improve footages. Actually there seems no order. Sometimes cage first. Sometimes audio gear first. Sometimes cage and shoulder rig at the same time. At the end I gotta have a working set of gears.

    When everything is ready, start advertising and moonlighting. As I'm making money, start upgrading a body and getting better lenses. And stop feeling guilty about spending :)
  • @Roberto ...and English English!
  • Hold on with our "hold on" talk..
    Australian English does not refer to items as "cheap" meaning "poor quality" as Americans do! The labour (labor) is cheap and the cheap (inexpensive) goods are as well-built as any dear (expensive) kit we've seen!
  • Hold on now - we've always had 'cheap Chinese labor'. Just that now they are bridging the quality gap AND 'made in usa' are just pricing themselves out of the casual user/DIY/filmmaker on a budget demographic. I just got the Wondlan Sniper 1.3 'aka' Zacuto Striker kock off - and you know what it's a damn good tool - 25% less than the Zacuto but pretty damn near the quality. Sure the knobs can turn smoother or the rods can be finished nicer - but that has no effect on the final output. Look at all these awesome deals Vitaliy has arranged with TrustMT and Cinematics - fucking amazing. In the end, its the same lesson - if you need to spend money - invest in good glass, that will get you much further than overpriced rods and knobs.
  • I try to consider digital camera more and more like a consumable, not kit. Our government does the same, letting us write-off the full cost at purchase date. The "depreciation schedules" must have just got ridiculously unpredictable for the tax-man: "What, zero-value already?"
    Accordingly, I try to make electronic stuff pay for itself in its first job. Then I don't feel so bad seeing it gathering dust. But tripods, lenses, reflectors? Still earning their keep after many years of service!
    Of course, we're all buying more kit because we've suddenly got cheap Chinese labour. Once our shelves are full, this will end like it did with all our kitchen appliances.
    Thanks for the brilliant satire, Stonebat.
  • @brianluce +1 The TRV900 is a wonderful camera. I still have one and use it for live multicamera streaming as it has firewire output. I don't use it now for recorded video as Standard Def seems so last century (live, it's fine). 3 CCD, great colours, not great in low light but a wonderful camera. I still have my anamorphic lens to use with it.

    On the topic of being a "shopaholic", any camera is good if it's there when you need it and you're not so precious about it that you won't take it out. I went to a fairground and took some "good enough" photos / vids the other day, but I wouldn't have risked the GH2 (and glad I didn't, thanks to one scary ride where I was barely able to hold on to the camera I took). This is where it all boils down to why you're doing video. Sometimes less is more!

    I think a "serious" camera is a bit different - assuming you're using it not just as a hobby - because whatever you buy should at least earn its cost back in revenue. And you have to factor in 2, 3 or 4 or more times the cost of that camera to spend on mics / lighting / reflectors / pelicases / stabilizers / tripods etc. The good thing about spending serious money on peripherals is that they tend not to date as quickly as cameras do, plus you can usually add to your collection as you need it.

    Shit...just realized I have 7 video cameras in various states of usability. I too have felt guilty about buying gear. I've even invented justifications like "I'll sell it again after using it for this specific project". Oh god, time to join that 12-step program.
  • @TommiH
    Best I ever got was handheld with a TRV900. Happened to be at the right place at the right time.
  • My two cents: The best footage I've ever captured was with a GoPro 1080p. You know, measured with the shivers that you get when you realize you captured something good. :)
  • @stonebat

    Unfortunately not a joke but staying positive :)
  • YDNIY = "You Don't Need It Yet"
    YAGNI = "You Ain't Gonna Need It"
    (From programming theory)
  • @sfbay_jon Who?

    @last_SHIFT I hope you are joking cuz that doesn't sound funny.
  • Well I just got laid off - so no new gear for me - I guess I should start learning how to shoot :-)
  • @ Stonebat
    If others' buying makes you feel good is that Kaufenfreude?
  • Create my own blog site. Start talking about HD & gears stuffs. Become famous. Go to Hollywood. Date Megan Fox....

    Marry Megan Fox
    Start torrid affair with Olivia of Oliviatech because Megan doesn't understand you.
    Tabloids publish lewd photo of you and Olivia in trashy motel room with various DLSR gear spread across bed. Megan divorces you. Olivia leaves you for Brad Pitt. Wind up penniless on skid row. Hollywood calls you to star in reality show about your life. Enter DSLR 12 step program.