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Black Magic: Official $1,995 raw cinema camera topic, series 2
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  • @brain202020

    Still feels good to figure it out. Great, good old AIS glass is still going strong.

  • @arknox

    We have discussed this over at BMCUSER, and your findings are in line with what we talked about. With the D800 with 36mp and the rumored Canon having even more, I would assume all current glass will be fine as well as most older glass.

  • Okay, here goes...

    The resolution of the sensor is 2432 x 1366. This is a total of 3,322,112 pixels.

    The sensor size is 15.81mm x 8.88mm. This is an area of 140.3928mm squared.

    Dividing the pixels over the area of the sensor there are 23662.97987 pixels per square mm

    Taking the size of a full frame sensor which is 35.9mm x 24mm. This is an area of 861.6mm squared.

    861.6 / 140.3928 means that full frame has a sensor area 6.137066858 times bigger than the BMC.

    So... 6.137066858 x the 3,322,122 pixels of the BMC comes out to a total of 20,388,023.45 pixels.

    So effectively if the BMC was full frame it would be about 20 megapixels and our old manual lenses should be able to handle that.... phew

  • Having gotten great results shooting stills on my old Nikkor primes on my 5DmkII, I don't think we have anything to worry about with 2.5K. Depends on the look you want though, I prefer the older manual prime look to the latest and greatest Canon L glass usually.

  • Looking at the detail this camera resolves has got me thinking. How much is the camera asking for in terms of resolving power from a full frame lens?

    When filming RAW it's asking for 2.5K through a window in the lens smaller than a GH2.

    I don't know the maths behind it but let's say you extrapolate that sensor, taking that pixel per inch/mm ratio and scale it up so that the sensor was being projected onto by the whole full frame lens, what would the resolution be?

    I hope it's not asking too much of a tiny window in our old manual primes.

  • Thanks - phew!

  • Yes sorry, 220 is 30p, 180 is 25p, and 175 is 24p.

  • ''BMCC records: 1980x1080 422 "ProRes 422 (HQ)" at 220mbps, 1980x1080 422 "DNxHD 220" at 220mbps''

    For PAL users who are locked in to the Avid platform, this represents an interesting problem. AFAIK, the highest resolution available is DNxHD 180, DNxHD220 being an NTSC resolution - anybody able to comment on this?

  • Looks amazing.

  • Great great DR.

  • Considering they can't get the EF mount out the door on time I find this highly unlikely timing. Either Blackmagic are extremely stupid or this rumour is a pile of shit, hmmm I wonder which...

    It is simple, this guys have no sources conserning Black Magic.

    So, this is like broken phone. We are talking about active mount option it moves to other places and slightly later rumor sites come with amazing rumor news :-)

  • anyone seen the rumour on 43rumors.com? BM supposedly releasing a new version of the camera in early 2013. http://www.43rumors.com/ft4-new-blackmagic-camera-with-full-electronic-support-coming-2013/

    Considering they can't get the EF mount out the door on time I find this highly unlikely timing. Either Blackmagic are extremely stupid or this rumour is a pile of shit, hmmm I wonder which...

  • Just brilliant all of this. IS ? Just brilliant.

  • nice to read - all what people are missing now is the camera ;-)

  • New firmware v.1.1 released today:

    For the few lucky folks who have a Blackmagic Cinema Camera in-hand, Blackmagic Design today released a new firmware update version 1.1 which includes long-promised support for DNxHD recording, plus new features: Support for EF lenses with IS (image stabilization), and some additional shutter angles. http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/support/

    Of these changes, IS support is perhaps the biggest deal. It’s a completely brand new feature, not yet mentioned on the BMCC product page.

    With this v.1.1 firmware update, BMD also apparently improved the BMCC’s audio input feature. It’s reported that sound recorded via the “Mic” level input setting now sounds fuller, less “thin”. The “Line” level input sound quality is reportedly unchanged. In general, the BMCC has very good audio specs for a $3K video camera. A brief before & after audio recoding sample was posted to BMCuser.com : http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.php?1234-How-good-is-the-audio-quality-of-the-bmcc&s=fefd148792b1b0ff55a86afecdd8603c&p=27497&viewfull=1#post27497

    Below is a list I made of the reported new shutter angles and their shutter speed equivalents calculated using this website (to the best of my knowledge the list is correct; since I don’t have my camera yet I can’t confirm it, regrets). http://super8arena.com/shutter_speed.php

    Below that is the text of BMD’s Read Me file (Mac version). I assume the Windows version of the Read Me file is similar:

    ===========================================

    BMCC firmware v1.1 shutter angle and shutter speed equivalents, at 3 example frame rates:

    @ 24p:

    360 = 1/24th,
    324 = 1/26.66,
    270 = 1/32,
    216 = 1/40,
    180 = 1/48,
    172.8 = 1/50,
    144 = 1/60,
    108 = 1/80,
    90 = 1/96,
    45 = 1/198.

    @ 25p:

    360 = 1/25th,
    324 = 1/27.77,
    270 = 1/33.33,
    216 = 1/41.66,
    180 = 1/50,
    172.8 = 1/52.08,
    144 = 1/62.5,
    108 = 1/83.33,
    90 = 1/100,
    45 = 1/200.

    @ 30p:

    360 = 1/30th,
    324 = 1/33.33,
    270 = 1/40,
    216 = 1/50,
    180 = 1/60,
    172.8 = 1/62.49,
    144 = 1/75,
    108 = 1/100,
    90 = 1/120,
    45 = 1/240.

    ===========================================

    BMD’s READ ME:

    About Blackmagic Cinema Camera Utility

    Welcome to the Blackmagic Cinema Camera Utility for Mac OS X. This utility allows you to update your Blackmagic Cinema Camera to the latest software release for new features, bug fixes and other enhancements.

    Blackmagic Cinema Camera Utility 1.1

    What’s New?

    • Avid DNxHD MOV support
    • Support for EF lens with in-lens image stabilizer
    • Increased number of available shutter angles

    Minimum system requirements for Mac OS X

    • Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion or later
    • Mac OS X 10.7 Lion or later
    • A suitable USB 2.0 port
    • Thunderbolt port for UltraScope and Media Express

    Installing Blackmagic Cinema Camera Utility

    The Blackmagic Cinema Camera Installer will install the following components:

    • Blackmagic Cinema Camera Utility
    • Blackmagic Media Express
    • Blackmagic UltraScope
    • Blackmagic Disk Speed Test

    Before installing the software, we recommend that you run “Uninstall Blackmagic Cinema Camera” first.

    Additional Information

    Please check www.blackmagic-design.com for additional information on third party software compatibility and minimum system requirements.

    © 2012 Blackmagic Design Pty. Ltd. All rights reserved. Blackmagic Design, Blackmagic, DeckLink, Multibridge, HDLink, Workgroup Videohub, Broadcast Videohub, FrameLink, and “Leading the creative video revolution” are trademarks of Blackmagic Design Pty. Ltd., registered in the U.S.A and other countries.

    Some applications use the QT UI framework (http://qtsoftware.com) under the terms of the LGPL version 2.1. The QT dynamic libraries, built from unmodified source are included in the application bundle. A copy of the LGPL is included in the Blackmagic application support directory. The support note at http://www.blackmagic-design.com/support/detail/supportnotes/supportnote/?sid=3945&pid=3985&os=linux&isSDK=0&snid=9703 provides further details including how to obtain the QT source.

    Updated October 04, 2012.

    ===========================================

    EDIT: Added info about Mic level audio improvement with v.1.1 firmware.

  • Just generate some ProRes from any high quality footage you have and look for yourself. It's standardized by Apple, whoever is implementing it needs to do it in the same way.

  • Thanks a lot ! Very very interesting product. Hopefully as someone already said a "game changer" ! Bravo BM !

  • Both the ProRes and DNxHD formats are comparable. They are very similar, and the only real reason to choose one over another is which NLE you or your client will be using. Both formats are miles better than 420 H.264, which is what most DSLRs shoot.

  • Hi ! I have no doubt about the extremely high quality of "RAW CinemaDNG at 1200mbps", this is for when the highest quality is required I believe But considering the other two modes, "1980x1080 422 "ProRes 422 (HQ)" at 220mbps, 1980x1080 422 "DNxHD 220" at 220mbps", same bit rate ... same image quality ? Moreover and please excuse if I trivialize the issue, but a lot of very well received professional camcorders stop at 50 Mbit/s for bit rate, and nevertheless they do not fail to give very nice images. My feeling is that also the two compressed modes proposed are of very high quality and maybe enough for most uses. But I do not know if this is the case. I am just asking opinion of experts. By the way, I have found a very interesting new, not very new actually http://www.blackmagicuser.net/index.php?/topic/89-blackmagicuser-cinemashot-awards-resolvemasters-2013/ an extremely good way to promote the BMCC I think. Very well BM ! Thanks and regards, gino

  • @lumiere61

    BMCC records: 1980x1080 422 "ProRes 422 (HQ)" at 220mbps, 1980x1080 422 "DNxHD 220" at 220mbps, and 2.5K (2432x1366) RAW CinemaDNG at 1200mbps.

  • Hi !
    any opinion on the quality of the Prores available on the BMCC ? if I understand well it is a quite high bit rate codec I saw the Bloom's review of the BMCC. He speaks quite highly of it. For a lot of tasks it could be just what is needed, after all. Thanks a lot and regards, gino

  • Most companies want to maintain good PR and marketing -

    Yes. And this is why they TELL people that it's because they're not "satisfied with the performance"...

    Have companies never lied before?

    It's weird though, because actions like these don't sound like Adobe. It really seems like they might have been "persuaded" by other companies to drop support. Cinema DNG is simple. An open RAW format is easy for everyone. Now think of how much money the camera makers generate from creating an artificial-markets with 100's of codecs at industry-planned price-points? The last thing they want is for the industry to just settle on 2 or 4 acquisition formats... especially when they sell the 12-bit ones at a 50x markup... and especially when they're non-propriety.

  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev Most companies want to maintain good PR and marketing - just look at how much money even publicly distrusted companies like Goldman Sachs and WalMart poured into dealing with their PR problems.

    There does not tend to be long-term data on negative PR (most companies are smart enough to start trying to reverse the situation fairly soon after things get bad) but the short-term effect can be easily seen in many cases, especially in the case of scandals.

    BP spent over $250,000 on the YouTube video channel used for damage control after the Gulf incident, $50 million on an ad campaign, not including hiring PR firms in each of 4 affected states.

    The U.S. Government penalty toward Toyota for $16.3 million million in 2010 for their handling of the issues leading to three safety recalls.

    Goldman Sach's stock suffered a dip of 23% in response to PR damage before they began PR repair.

    Source http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2050808/Online-Reputation-Management-Case-Studies-BP-Oil-Spill-Toyota-Recall-and-Goldman-Sachs-Fraud-Charges

    There are lots of examples of the ROI of putting money into good PR, but here's a really simple Vocus White Paper citing a 275% ROI on PR spending for Proctor & Gamble.

    Source http://www.vocus.com/codies/Marketing_ROI.pdf

    This isn't really the place to discuss the data but this the tip of the iceberg. I wouldn't repeatedly get hired to do combined marketing/PR work if companies did not ascribe value to the PR side of it.

  • The more people mention wanting them to support CinemaDNG, the worse they look not supporting it...

    And?

    I never saw corporation who suffered from "looking worse"..