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Panasonic LX7 topic
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  • LX7 video is better than smarphone video. End of story.

  • Some clever bugger will invent a software for 2D to 3D simulation VK

    Yep. I already heard this previously.

    Wait, it was guys talking that you don't need proper lighting and good sound, as you can do all in post.

  • Get Sony TD10 for home movies (<$700 on ebay), as your ancestors will be asking stupid questions why all is so flat :-)

    Some clever bugger will invent a software for 2D to 3D simulation VK, so no disappointed ancestors.

  • If you are shooting home movies this would definitely be a good choice.

    Get Sony TD10 for home movies (<$700 on ebay), as your ancestors will be asking stupid questions why all is so flat :-)

  • How's built-in ND filter?

    Some of early adapters experienced focusing issue at f/1.4. Hopefully it's fixed silently.

  • Just got my LX7 from the $304 Amazon deal. Let me just say I am impressed. Great little camera. I just canceled my GH3 order. This little LX7 is just so great I decided to ditch m4/3s.

    :O

    Just kidding of course. The LX7 isn't going to replace a GH camera. However, it does shoot very good 1080p @ 60 FPS video and rather nice stills. If you are shooting home movies this would definitely be a good choice. The macro capabilities are fantastic too. Depth of field and dynamic range are definitely not anywhere near m4/3s territory. However, they are not terrible like so many other compact cameras.

  • Yea my brother in law was super skeptical about the LX7. He wanted to get a Rebel 3ti or D3100 with the kit lens. I told him to skip the DSLR for what he wanted and just get something with some fast glass. He just shoots pictures and videos of his kids so the LX7 is prefect.

    I think it makes a good option instead of getting the 12-35mm F2.8 though. For 1/4 the price it is a steal.

  • After taking $10 off and 10% cashback and 2% store credit, net cost would be $255 for me. Hehe. I'd get it in this Thursday and tune it up before handing it over to my little bro. He has no idea how good it is.

    I live in VA.15 mins away from DC downtown. Lynchburg is kinda far. I'd see you after I learn mountain climbing. Hehe. Gawd GH3. I'm getting envious!!!

  • @stonebat

    Yes I couldn't resist. I originally bought one from Panasonic Direct but I didn't want to have to pay tax upfront so I cancelled that order and placed an Amazon Prime order with next day shipping for $304. It will be here tomorrow.

    It isn't for me. It is for my brother in law. However, I get to play around with it and review it before I send it up to him.

    My GH3 should ship on Friday or before. We will be in Lynchburg filming a climbing comp in two weeks. You live in that general area, right?

  • $299 was a crazy deal, but there was "TURKEY10" coupon code for $10 discount from J&R.

    In this morning I contacted them via J&R's contact page and got the discount. I wish it's mine. It's for my little brother. Hope a lot more people became LX7 users.

  • Just donated $20, use it best way for your hacks @VK. Looking forward for LX7 hack and improving GH1 (that's on quite soon, right?) but first of all wish you best health!

  • f1.4 gives at least a minimal bokeh, along with significantly better low light performance than the FZ200.

    There is another interesting crippling I found. On Creative Video I set "Shutter Priority" to 1/30 and then fix ISO at 800 (say). The auto aperture opens to as much as f1.4 to expose correctly (range f1.4 to f8). But when I engage the ND filter, the auto aperture only opens to f4, giving a very limited range of auto exposures (f4-f8). With ISO left at 'auto' the aperture opens fully with ND engaged, except you can't control the aperture very easily to get a fixed level of bokeh. Take a look when yours arrives (after you have played with all the other neat stuff on this very nice camera).

    I use a 1/30 shutter for indoors work, as my target is web, and the extra sensitivity over 1/60 is usually welcome :) If you set Creative Video, Manual Exposure (don't forget to switch the lens to manual too) the LX7 will allow you to select a shutter speed as low as 1/8 second (as will the FZ200). Might be useful in pitch darkness, I guess :)

  • @trevmar

    It is good to understand that this cameras can be long shot projects.

    As for purchase - say thanks to Panasonic for discounts :-)

  • @Vitaliy Great news! - Without the 30 minute limitation, the LX7 would be very nice for video. Its battery is good for about 2hrs continuous...

    I did notice that resolution charts with 1080p on the LX7 were a little more moire and slightly lower resolution that FZ200, I suspect that is beacuse of the fewer pixels on the sensor. But I guess we will know soon :) :)

  • Wow, that's great.

  • Btw, we today purchased LX7 for hack.

  • I've been trying to decide on a small camera for video. It was looking like the LX7 was going to be it, but Panasonic crippled it with low bitrates.

    The Canon S100 appears to be the best one. It does 1080/24p @ 38 mbps, which is almost double the bitrate the LX7 offers, and has a built-in ND filter. Plus, it's last year's model, so it's super cheap now.

  • @goofy23 The big difference from hx9v is that the LX7 has full manual control of video, and can lower the shutter speed to 1/30, 1/25, 1/20. 1/15, 1/13, 1/10 or 1/8 if you are in a really low-light environment. It packages them into the AVCHD container. Donald Graft's DGindex is best for pulling them out smoothly. Indoors, I routinely use shutter preferred, with 1/30 shutter and change the ISO to control my average (auto) aperture. Outdoors one has the inbuilt ND filter, which with ISO80, allows a 1/30 shutter even in the California sun. BUT - the camera is crippled in shutter preferred in that the minimum F stop is 4.0 when you engage the ND filter in shutter preferred creative video. So I carry around a 37mm ND to get over this and allow bokeh in the sun. Panny did a couple of silly things to limit the LX7 utility for 'pros' and were blind-sided when Sony released the RX100. Which IMO has bad video, BTW, saturated shadow grading in particular.

  • Would be great to see a comparsion to the Sony hx9v, i am no Sony fanboy but can imagine its better video wise

  • As a point of comparison, the camera in my Samsung Galaxy Note cellphone produces a much better image from my 1080p ISO Test Chart. Similar data rates, also AVC High@L4.0, about 30Mbps - but much cleaner (see attached x1 file)

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  • I have been looking into the Moire from the LX7. It is excessive, IMO. But I am not an expert, so I am posting my observations here to ask for your opinions. First, I noticed bad quantization in a frame from a 1080/60p video (first attachment below). This was taken with a film setting of -2 for sharpening, -2 for noise reduction and no internal i.Resolution or i.Zoom (etc).

    So I took a closer look at the car which exhibited the worst artifacts: (second attachment below)

    image

    The steps on the front window-pillar-chrome-strip are 2 pixels apart vertically and 3 pixels apart horizontally. The rest of the roof is also squeezed into a matrix which is certainly not a 1x1 pixel matrix. This would account for the terrible moire seen on a 1080p ISO chart frameshot (3rd attachment below).

    I have been looking at a lot of video this past week from my LX7, and of downloads of FZ200 MTS files too. What I am seeing is that the FZ200 seems to have less absolute resolution than the FZ150 video, on average. The LX7 is better than the LX5 video, which was pretty bad. Yet when I shoot the ISO chart in 720p I don't get much practical difference from the 1080p resolution (4th attachment below)

    Has anybody any insight or suggestions as to how to get best resolution from the LX7? Should I be pre-sharpening more (as post-prod sharpening exacerbates these artifacts)?

    Alias_ScreenShot.jpg
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    Aliasing_Car_Window.jpg
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    1080p60fps.jpg
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    720p_30fps.jpg
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  • How do I "lock EV"? Is there menu item for that?

  • @trevmar Using the HS video mode, would you consider locking shutter at 1/240 (or 1/200 in PAL-land) and locking EV. Then filming indoor under fluoro lighting ? Im curious to see if shutter preferred mode works under HS mode..