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Total disaster, reports from the weddings front
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  • Just finished long Syrian wedding with 6 GH2:s. Crazy stuff! Gotta hit the sac and catch some z:s before posting some examples. 30h of footage to sift through in the next couple of days.

    Oh yeah I forgot! They changed to another church without notice - Nerve wrecking!

  • Audio tips for without wireless mics would be to get as close as you can to the bride & groom for best audio from camera mic. Since you are the brother, getting close should be no problem for you. And use tripod for the duration of the ceremony...don't try to go handheld for the whole thing, you'll be tired and end up with shaky footage.
    If ceremony has live sound system and it is tested to be good quality (not distorting or feedback prone), you can setup with tripod in the back off center to get the best view during vows, kiss, and pronouncement.
    Any possibility that the church or DJ can record the ceremony audio for you, get it! If ceremony is outdoors and it is windy, be sure to set your camera mic to cut wind noise, and try to find a windjammer or make one to put over camera mic.

  • Awesome thread for someone like me who has to record the highlights of his sister's wedding in a few weeks!

    I´d be very much interested in more tips and warnings concerning audio, especially without lavs, if anyone had some more to give.

    Thanks!

  • @oscillian

    I think that good camcorder is better. Mostly due small sensors. I think that most wedding guys need at least one.

    NEX-hack team start working on Sony cameras.

    Right now first result is that we can change language to english for Japanese cameras :-)

    Check http://nex-hack.info from time to time.

  • @tinbeo Or you could use a Sony RX100 if you start it just when they enter and if the ceremony is less then 30 minutes. Autofocus is damn good and low light is much better then a camcorder. Plus it's small enough to be hardly noticed. I'm trying out mine now with good results and who knows what it will be able to do once the NEX-hack team start working on Sony cameras.

  • Keep in focus the bride walk down the aisle was the most disater for me. I used the Oly 12 mm thinking it should do the trick by setting auto S mode in front of aisle, put in record mode then run to other cameras . I get all these impotant moments of the bride out of focus : A lesson to remember that I would better use a camcorder that way, as solo wedding shooting.

  • Yes, I have a Tascam DR-40 which has been a great tool since I started shooting with the GH2. Great tip is to call the DJ day before wedding and see what his setup will be, and if you can patch a line/mic out from him into your recorder. So if he only mic's up the officiant, you can then mic up the groom and put that on the 2nd input, and you're set. Usually the onboard mics can pickup good ambience indoors, outdoors if there is even a slight wind, might as well turn those off and save battery life.

    If you have more than one shooter, Canon's might work great for you, but for solo work, GH2 with the continuous recording really helps for those stationary shots where you can hit record way before ceremony start and not have to worry about it stopping throughout the entire ceremony...Same with reception.

  • @fosterchen

    And I hear you @mintcheerios about using traditional camcorders...it's a hard transition with a lot of anxiety. I'm still using one as backup camera just in case, but one of these days I'll go without it and rely strictly on HDSLR's!

    The company I shoot weddings for sometimes was basically just "forced" to only use DSLRs now. We got too many complains about how bad the XF footage looks next to 5D/7D stuff. It's actually not that bad with only DSLRs and a Zoom though.

  • @tired - Sorry if I wasn't clear, but @Cole is exactly right about what I meant. I don't have the balls to be in that kind of a high-pressure situation with a DSLR! That's why I have massive respect for people who do. I'm sure wedding shooters care. What I said is that I care too much about not letting people down, and I don't trust myself enough in unpredictable situations like weddings, with a [sometimes] unpredictable camera like a DSLR, to know that I won't let them down.

    Please read more carefully before getting hostile, next time.

  • @tired- FWIW I didn't take @Sangye 's comment as disrespectful. He even says

    "I have massive respect for anyone who has the courage to shoot weddings. Doubly so for those that shoot weddings on HDSLRs."

    I take his comment to mean he doesn't want to be put in the difficult position that event shooters do. Which I relate with 100%. I have done 4 weddings, the last of which was in 2009, and consider myslf lucky that I ended up doing more "Corporate" style work. It has it's own stresses but nothing like that of weddings and the like.

    Cole

  • @oscillian - Two rigs, two on sticks. One of the tripod set ups is used for the rear of the ceremony as well as time lapses throughout the day. One us goes with the bride, one of us with the groom. We meet back up for the ceremony and reception.

  • @artiswar Great work! I really need to break free fom my sticks :) What kind of setup du you have? Solo shooter?

  • @oscillian - Thank you!

    Here's the finished. iPhone lav mics to the rescue.

  • @artiswar Nice one! I like your intimate style with mostly closeups. The handheld shooting makes it different from most other productions. More edgy.

  • @fosterchen I know! Never trust the GPS! You'll end up in a dead end street with the ceremony being on the other side of a brick wall and have to double back for 20 minutes. Google street view have saved me a couple of times.

  • Just shot an outdoor wedding with plenty of ambient noise, wind, guitar music playing through loudspeakers and so on. I decided to use my Sennheiser MKE300 shotgun mic with windsock to shoot the main angle of the ceremony and some interviews of the guests greeting the couple during the reception. I was a bit surprised the audio signal showed up very low on the audio bars on the GH2, but figured I could gain them up in post. This was my second shoot with the mic and I had good results with it previously.

    Once back in editing I had no audio! The battery had drained and no signal was recorded, not even the GH2s own, since the mic input cancelled it. Result: I had to painstakingly sync up 50 minutes of recording to the LAV sound by eyeing frames and lipsyncing during the ceremony (thank god I had LAV-ed the groom) but the guests greetings were beyond repair. In the end I opted for just using the their smiles and them waving into camera with no sound and mixing in ambient sound from my B-cam placed further away.

    Lesson learned: Always have a fresh battery in your microphone! I routinely do this with my Zoom H1:s and cameras but missed the Sennheiser since the run time is 300 hours (if you remember to turn the bloody thing off during shoots!) Another tricky thing is that the mic has no continous light showing it's ON, just a flashing light when you turn it on. And the GH2 will show ONE flashing bar of sound even if you have no incoming sound :(

    This is the resulting highlight video. 3x GH2s with Cluster V6, Lumix 20, Lumix 14-140, Nokton 25 0.95 and Canon FD 50 1.4. Zoom H1 and Sennheiser MKE300 (not!) Edited in Vegas Pro 11 and graded in MB Looks 2. Music from www.musicbed.com

  • Make sure to look at a map of where you are actually going for the ceremony & reception...don't just rely on GPS or printout directions...look and see the road, how far you go until the next turn, even streetview on Google Maps helps alot.

    And also a BIG NO NO: planning other things on the same day before your wedding job's start time...I don't care if the wedding is later in the day or evening and you want to visit friends in the area...DON'T.

    I had an afternoon wedding ceremony that was close to some friends I haven't seen in a while, so I met up with them for lunch...ended up with a parking ticket and was almost late to the church because I got lost trying to find the road the church was on! This is not how you want to start your shoot, stressed out from being lost and pissed that you got a ticket.

  • " I care too much about making people happy and never letting then down!"

    what self indulgent crap! - so you're saying wedding shooters don't care! I'm amused by the number of people that comment disparagingly on shooting weddings simply because they haven't got the balls to shoot in a pressure situation.

  • I've been literally shooting weddings every weekend this summer, and it's brutal! But my GH2 has proven to be a trooper, just have 3 or more batteries with you for a whole days shoot, maybe charge one at reception start so if you run out near the end, you have at least a partially charged battery for the send off...can't miss that! And I hear you @mintcheerios about using traditional camcorders...it's a hard transition with a lot of anxiety. I'm still using one as backup camera just in case, but one of these days I'll go without it and rely strictly on HDSLR's! But you MUST have a portable audio recorder & wireless mics for good quality audio for reception! And always ask the DJ if you can have a line out from his system if they are mic'ing the officiant and/or groom...they're usually happy to oblige and you get the best audio! (But do not rely completely on them, still use some of your own mics in case their system fails)

    And I think sliders are only useful if you have more than one shooter....I've brought mine to every gig, and not once did I even have time to pull it out of the bag! It's just too time consuming to setup and get the shot...I don't know how people do it!

  • Jeeze! You should be shooting feature films. - But marraige is one of those, isn't it..:{

  • Not bad news, just showing this off!

  • @johnnymossville would love to see the edit to this. I saw a highlight where the the zipper of the bride's dress broke off when they were attempting to zip up. 40mins later the Seamstress arrived and sewed it up, the best part of that highlight... the bride was chugging red wine from the bottle directly from the stress. This made it to the highlight, but still well told.

  • @Mark_The_Harp Oh that lovely detuned Hoover sound! I always try to sing in unison everytime I vacuum: love the Doppler effect!

  • I was shooting a wedding and the bridesmaids fought the whole time. I'd be filming and a cat fight would break out,... the bride yelled for me to stop recording,... while the best man signaled silently making the keep-rolling hand motion. funny stuff. Later at the same wedding the father of the bride broke a beer bottle on his table and went for the throat of one of the bridesmaid's husband. Got that on tape too, somewhere. The entire bride's side of the wedding reception walked out after that.

  • Never tried those, @oscillian, but I can imitate vacuum cleaners and spin dryers. My version of a MieleW916 on fast spin cycle is a treat for the ears! I worked for years in BBC sound effects and drama and we spent all our spare time making silly noises and adding foley to everything we did in the office (probably annoyed the hell out of people but we were young then and it amused us). I had a colleague who did foley on porn movies - so it was an interesting bunch of skills we had, though probably not so useful for wedding videos.

    Whistling the sound of feedback is great fun - you MUST have an echoey acoustic, though, so you can build up the sound in a very natural way and with a lot of reverb in the room it's difficult to tell where the sound is coming from (so people assume it's the PA). The best one is to wait until they slam all the faders shut, and then start whistling again...