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Panasonic EVA1, like in WALL-E, S35 Camera
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  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @Jasketti

    I can name this important people - it is investors and top management.

    This guys just look for best sold similar cameras like Canon C series, Ursa, etc and want same mount hoping for big sales.

  • JaskettiJasketti

    On the interview Mitch Gross says the reason they chose EF mount was because: "..important people wanted s35 sensor..."

    Well, those two things above do not require each other in any way :) as most of us know. Who would tell panasonic desing team that? EF mount is such a horrible waste of possibilities with its enormous prehistorical flange distance.

    Electronicly coupled adapters and focal reducers allowing full electronic use of EF lenses on mFT exist today. Could someone also tell that to Panasonic desing team. Perhaps if mr. Gross reads this thread he could pass on the information :)

    There is nothing, absolutely nothing tehcnology wise stopping you from equipping EVA1 with s35 sensor and mFT mount while still being able to use EF-mount lenses with aperture, focus and IS control. Nothing at all. Everything has already been done.

  • LPowellLPowell

    @Jasketti - I routinely produce 10-bit 4:2:2 1080p footage using the LS300 shooting in 4K and posted an example. Do you see any blown-out yellow highlights like the AF100? Sorry, but your anti-JVC complaints sound like a years-old YouTube review. J-Log1 made a dramatic difference in this camera's DR performance. The sensor actually shows very little aliasing with its VSM digital scaling. Any hard edges you see are most likely over-agressive sharpening on my part in post.

    As for shooting 10-bit 4:2:2 in 4K, have you ever tried doing that with a 64GB SD card? The LS300 shoots 4K at 150Mbps and can record a single 64GB file 55 minutes long. That's the minimum bitrate and footage duration I'd consider acceptable for 8-bit 4:2:2 4K video recording and it's at the limit of practicality for SD cards. To record an hour-long performance in 10-bit 4:2:2 4K, I'd want an external SSD recorder running at 300+ Mbps.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Interview

  • endotoxicendotoxic

    Eva1 .

    the real question is.

    why EF mount?

    Iunderstand the 400mbits due to internal limitations on prossesing. I guess is the first time panasonic offers futurely RAW through a consumer LSI. Maybe internally varicam has like 8 times the power of Gh5. So no Varicam logo on this bastard child with royal sensor specs and poor prossecing. Hahahahah thats wierd.

    well it is, SO the external recording is a must for this camera, you know to, compensate.

    IF TH DUAL GAIN is the same of the varicam 800/5000 for $9k to $8k you have a barstdycam and external recorder fully functuonal 5.7k raw camera....hmmm.. rigged to be 15k.

    From a DP view dual gain is very good.

    1) IT IS BETTER THAN FS7 MKII? 2) IT IS BETTER THAN URSA pro? 3)IT IS BETTER THAN FS5? 4)IT IS BETTWR THAN SECOND HAND RED DRAGON?

    That are actually hard questions to askif you are planning on buying on the next 6 months. .

    any of this cameras including eva1 are aprox 13 to $15k to be operational for professional use. The base rig. Mattebox .follow focus. Good lens riser/holder. Accesories. Extra battery x4 like 6 media sources SD. A HDD. Extra chgargers . External power source. Filters for matebox. Pelican Cases...wuff you put the limit.

    So... what to choose and why?

    .

  • JaskettiJasketti

    @LPowell I was closely wathing the GY-LS300 when it was announced and a while after. However while it had many awesome features, the lack of ability to record internal or external 10bit 422 kept me from choosing that camera at that time.

    Also the real life footage I ve seen shot with it dont convince me. I dont like the higlight handling which unfortunately reminds me too much of the quirky and ugly highlights of AF100 (channels clipping unevenly). I am also left in the impression that actual usable dynamic range is not that great either? The shots I have seen also seem quite soft and seem to suffer same kind aliasing in the high contrast edges as AF100 had.

    I would like to be proven wrong or if some of these aspects has been improved via firmware upgrades later.

    Perhaps I try to find one to loan and give it a try.

    (edit) I just saw your footage. It looks really nice dynamic range wise. Only thing that bothers me is aliasing in the hard contrast edges. (though it is very light in your footage): But yes, your footage engourages me to try it out.

  • alcomposeralcomposer

    @LPowell great work. Good to see someone else working in performance videography. I do so much of this work, and it's actually very hard! Always changing lighting conditions.

    Sometimes this sort of work can be looked down upon, but it's a really fantastic place to learn about continuous camera operation, smooth zooms, pans etc.

  • LPowellLPowell

    @ alcomposer - With the JVC LS300, we shoot 4K @ 8-bit 4:2:0 J-Log1 and I resample it into 1080p @ 10-bit 4:2:2 Rec 709 for editing. The recent firmware update boosts 4K capture to 8-bit 4:2:2 color. In post, I have no issues with dynamic range or banding, the footage is a breeze to grade. (Check out the fog @2:00)

  • alcomposeralcomposer

    @LPowell well, you just converted me on 'no MFT for s35'. The JVC GY-LS300 just begs the question why didn't Panasonic go with MFT???????

    EDIT: looking at reviews, the DR looks like it may not be up to the GH4/5. Is that what you have found @LPowell?

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @theconformist

    About half the price I am very doubtful. As all firms are going for margins and tight price controls.

  • theconformisttheconformist

    C200 will sell like crazy, this thing will be half-price in a year's time. Maybe it's not fair, but factor this into your decision to buy.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Btw, specially for some guys

    Varicam is just marketing term. Like Asus ROG Strix. Has almost nothing to do with actual technology used (despite the claims).

  • bwhitzbwhitz

    Ehhhh... Camera looks great... but $8k usd... nope. This needs to be a $4.5k camera. Needs to directly compete with Blackmagic Ursa. I don't think this cam will be that popular without a major price re-evaluation.

  • balazerbalazer

    Panasonic needs to sell this for a lot less than the Canon C200 if they want it to sell well. The Panasonic may have the better sensor and codecs, but the Canon has autofocus, internal raw recording, and the more established brand. Even if the Panasonic sells well, it's just helping Canon sell a lot of lenses.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @LPowell

    Why wait for Panasonic?

    JVC really surprised everyone with dedication to their camera. I want to find people behind it and make detailed interview about history of development and updates history.

    And, btw long proper topic here is - http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/11756/jvc-4k-cameras-including-gy-ls300-4k-for-2995-gy-hm200-and-gy-hm170

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    We have Panasonic interview about camera. Not synced and edited yet. But soon.

  • LPowellLPowell

    @Jasketti @gabilourson - Why wait for Panasonic? The true Super35 MFT successor to the AF100 just got a free firmware update to support 4:2:2 color with its 150Mbps 4K encoder, matching the features of its 50Mbps 1080p encoder. Also included free of charge: the easist-to-grade LOG profile ever.

    http://www.creativeplanetnetwork.com/news/shoot/cinematic-solution-sensible-price-how-jvc-s-gy-ls300-expands-production-capabilities/611665

  • gabiloursongabilourson

    no MFT mount ? Panasonic losted me on this affair...

  • alcomposeralcomposer

    MFT for s35? Not really interested in that. But it would have been nice to have the option of using MFT in crop mode on this camera. So that's what I was thinking about with a multi mount option. It's not like the 5.7k sensor doesn't have the resolution.

  • peaceonearthpeaceonearth

    Btw Panasonic has someone new in marketing.

    this guy is very experienced in explaining delays and calming down frustrated clients when the promised features don't show up. He did a "great" job in communication at Convergent-Design.

  • endotoxicendotoxic

    Mount of idiots.

    too much flagerange.

    I hope they can get anothet version too Is not like thet cant...but with IR cut off and ND filters... i see m4/3 to small.

  • konjowkonjow

    I like the AF info above :)

  • konjowkonjow

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @alcomposer

    The Wall-E camera just pushes the GH5 / LUMIX line of cameras further away from "pro" cinema cameras.

    I think such illusive thing as "pro camera" never existed. Professional results do exist as well as people who consistently are able to make them.

  • JaskettiJasketti

    @alscomposer I am with you on this. I waited for years for Panasonic to make AF100 replacement and after heavily investing on both m43 glass and such lenses that are adaptable to m43 I feel a bit betrayed here :)

    Panasonic really should have come out with a JVC approach super 35 sensor in a m43 mount and offer an electornic focalreducer adapter for EF mount with the camera. Now this locked EF mount makes this camera a huge compromise and locks it to EF and PL lenses only. While that no doubt is ok for several people at the same time it locks out huge customer potential. And by going the JVC route they could have had both and more. With EF to m43 focal reducer user would have gotten FullFrame equal FOV out of EF glass, which is now impossible. Sorry Panasonic, it seems you never do your homework well enough.

    As long as I waited and while the specs seems appealing, for me the mount is a likely to be a deal breaker as well as the pricepoint. Sony FS5 (or FS7) seems far more appealing now. In few months I will make a decision regardin which way my company will go in the future. And now it seems I am bending over to Sony after 15 years with Panasonic.

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