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GH5 Panasonic camera, from anticipation to love or hate
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  • A brief look at a production model of the GH5:

  • The stuff that neumann films shot in vlog-l, do we know how they dealt with exposure on that stuff?...was it nailed in shot or purposfully overexpose by a couple of stops to protect shadows?

  • @Fost Of course, but with much better video specs and performance. :)

  • @Eno - that would put it in the ballpark of the EM1 Mk2 ISO performance I think :)

  • And here's the Gh5 (on the left) vs the 5D mk2 (on the right), both of them at ISO 12800.

    GH5 vs 5D mk2 ISO 12800.jpg
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  • ACR 9,9 is here and GH5 RAW's can finally be edited.

    After a quick testing I found it's low light performance to be around one ISO stop worst compared to the Nikon D810 35mm camera. In the first image D810 (on the left) is at ISO12800 and GH5 (on the right) at 6400. In the second image D810 (on the left) is at ISO 25600 and GH5 (on the right) at 12800.

    The images were processed from Imaging Resource raw samples, with the D810 scaled down to the GH5 resolution.

    One stop difference for a sensor almost 4 times smaller is quite an achievement, don't you say?

    D810 at ISO 12800 vs GH5 at ISO 6400.jpg
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    D810 at ISo 25600 vs GH5 at ISO 12800.jpg
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  • @Eno
    Just so I am clear...
    Is the image captured by the GH5 on the right in your images? It's implied by your post, but the name of the comparison image files implies otherwise and there isn't a label in the pics.

  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev Can you please delete this post case I wrongly wrote the camera names for each camera image in the attachment and I post it once again below corrected. Thanks!

    GH5 vs D810 ISO 6400 vs 12800.jpg
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    GH5 vs D810 ISO 12800 vs 25600.jpg
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  • Does the current vlog code you can buy work with the new gh5?

  • @karuchie Another test where they have used the Varicam 35 LUT. I wish people understood why these tests with LUT grading are flawed and do not show the true quality that can be achieved. I get good results with the GH4 Vlog internal 8 bit recording when grading in Resolve WITHOUT using a LUT. The LUT is nowhere near as good at getting a nice smooth result with minimal banding.

  • At least the GH5 firmware has been finalized. Lumix ambassadors got the v1.0 firmware on march 2. Previous version was 0.5.

  • Fingers crossed it will be free!

  • @lmackreath definately. To put it in perspective, when you shoot Prores LT in UHD, it's around 400Mbit (30p is a little over, 24 and 50p under). Only that Prores is an old DCT based codec and h264 way more efficiant; I have no doubts that this upgrade will boost the cam a lot.

  • So do we think the 400mb firmware update with give enough head room finally to have a cleaner 10 bit vlog image internally recorded?

  • My experience is: using external recorders (ninja assassin) the GH4's V-Log colour and other 'issues' (magenta blotches on faces macro blocking etc) vanish when using 422 8 bit externally. Which to me says it's more to do with the h264 encoder than bit depth. 8 bit 422 pro res V-Log (even LT) looks much better on skin than GH4 internal V-Log. 10 bit doesn't make as much difference - apart from when grading heavily.

  • Do you think is it best option to upgrade to GH5 from G6? Or is there anything better? I want mostly 180fps function and better video stabilization. Thanks

  • What do you think about 180fps function?

  • Great.. by word on release date on these v60 cards and price point?

  • @aldolega

    I'll second that notion that implementation can really make the difference. The FS700 is another example of how surprisingly good low bit rate can look. Two of our shooters use them for A cam. We shoot a lot of action sports and it's never disappointed IMHO. True - we're not doing extreme grades, but fairly standard color correction with vary levels of pushing the image around to get what we're after. I'm impressed at what that camera is capable of. If it wasn't for the awful form factor and overall ergonomics, I would've flown it more. I've preordered the GH5 not because it's night and day better than the GH4. But it's enough of an upgrade to justify the money in my book. It'll pay for itself quickly. Plus I'm already invested in MFT glass from GH2 onward. So the investment was minimal.

  • It's fine if you nail exposure and color 100% in camera but will be far from sufficient with any meaningful change in color correction. This is the upside of the conclusion from C5D - but not fully explained as such by them. 100mbps-150mbps is enough for a video capture that won't be graded but not quite enough for something that's meant for post (like a LOG image)

  • @bannedindv

    I shoot mostly action, at 30p or faster, with fast camera movements, often with a deep DOF. The kind of shooting that puts the most strain on a bitrate-starved IPB codec. So I am similarly, but less conclusively, skeptical of 150mb/s being enough, as I was of 100mb/s being enough for the GH4; fortunately, the GH4 was mostly adequate in my 2.5yrs of shooting with it, so I certainly hope the GH5 does the same.

    Breaking it down by bitrate per "quadrant" isn't 100% accurate, though. With modern IPB codecs there isn't always necessarily a need for a 1:1 increase in bitrate in ratio to the resolution (i.e. 4 times the bitrate for UHD over HD). @LPowell or @Driftwood would be able to explain why this is is (scaling, quantization, etc), as I am no codec expert.

    Also, depending on the implementation of the codec, 37.5mb/s can be plenty for HD (for most applications), look at how good the C100 internal footage looks at only 24mb/s. Compare that to a $400 camcorder that also does 24mb/s and there is a massive difference (and I don't mean from lens or sensor performace- just compression).

    So even if the extra overhead for 4:2:2 and 10-bit (versus 4:2:0/8-bit) means the GH5 150mb/s is, per quadrant, no better than a c100... that's still pretty good. Not great, not amazing, probably not capable of holding extreme grades, but pretty good. And I hope that it will be better, as 37.5mb/s is 50% more than 24mb/s, and I don't think 10-bit and 4:2:2 need that much extra bandwidth.