Actually, why not shooting 720/25p, as it's now possible with PTool 3.61d? Unless you need to slomo, my understanding is that you get less compression vs. shooting 50p. Anyone can confirm? And also, another method would be to shoot at 1080/24p, conform to 25, edit and then slow it down to 96% using Twixtor, as stated in one of their tutorials. I have done a short test (rendering takes forever on my 4 and a half year old Macbook Pro) but I didn't notice any artifact. Any thoughts?
By the way, thank you very much Vitally, wonderful work! Very much appreciated!
With a higher bitrate hack, I think it's a viable option to shoot 720/50p and edit on a 25fps time. Upscale 720 to 1080 is not a problem. Previously, the unhack GH2 720/50p (17mbps) is just too low.
Btw, what's the most stable and gorgeous looking 720/50p setting for hacked GH2 at the moment?
You could, but you'd have to duplicate frames or use a plug in like Twixtor or other forms of artifacts. While there is an opportunity with DSLR to shoot natively at 60 fps, then conform it with Cinema Tools at 24 or 25. When you play it back it is natively slowed down by 2.5 (at 24, slightly less at 25). In this case you get beautiful slomo, as good as when originated on film by overcranking the camera.
honestly- get a GH2 - by the time the GH3 is hacked into shape (taking into account that Panny will not be sending VK a SDK) you will probably we wanting to get the GH4... Vicious cycle... Nip it in the bud...
720p50 is great for news etc, and when it gets higher bit rate it will scream - remember the GH2 is doing pixel binning not frame skipping- so as far as I am aware - all the lovely data is being used!
There has been talk in the low GOP thread about a high bitrate / low GOP setting for 1080i which I'm going to try now my computer is back in action. In terms of detail at least, none of the high-bitrate 720p footage I've seen has been as good as even the stock 24p (IMO) so I'm keen to see what you can get out of 1080i 50. For me the interest is twofold: I'm in a PAL region, and I have 2 HD camcorders to use alongside my GH2.
Hi guys, been reading this with great interest. I did a test just then with my GH2 in 24p mode and one of my other cams shooting 25p, put them both on the kitchen bench, and shot for 30min, every few min i got in shot and clapped hands and stuff, lighting was halogen (PAL land). I then dropped them into Premiere Pro in a 25p sequence, synced the first few seconds, then went to end expecting to have to drag the 24p into sync with the rate stretch tool. Didnt have to, the whole thing was perfectly in sync from start to finish, I could see any dramas with the lighting, strobing and such ( which I did get in the US recently when shooting at night with my GH1 at 25p 25 shutter). There was no frame blending that I could see. So, if you dont need the audio from the 24p cam, are there any issues that would arise in a multi cam shoot where one cam is 24p and the others 25p? any thoughts greatly appreciated.
@madact Sure, I didn't mean to imply that 25p isn't needed.
From my perspective, I'm still shooting 25p on an old DVX100B, but I'm seriously considering getting a GH2. Since my work isn't for broadcast (more of an expensive hobby), I just figured I'd shoot 24p on the GH2 if 25p isn't available or as nice looking.
I was trying to get a handle of how much of a problem the light flickering effect would be. It seems with the right choice of shutter speed it's not really an issue (since people have always been dealing with this on 24p regardless of region).
probably roughly double the framerate ie 24/25p 50 shutter 30p 60 shutter 50/60 120 shutter (but I still use 50 shutter) Theres the usual shutter rules...but rules are made to be broken lol
What about modifying 1080p24 time base so it reads faster?
There is a variable somewhere that tells camera how fast to read the chip etc. Is it possible to "hunt it down" and change it? I guess it's a rate at which some crystal clock is divided or such.
I have just bought a GH1 from amazon. The day i got it last week, i hacked it. That week, I filmed some speedy videos to make sure the 50p --> slow motion option is working (BTW I live in a PAL country.) Check out the video and tell me what you think:
I was happy about the results...
What i have done is, i have put the 50fps 1280x720 AVCHD files into Sony Vegas 10. Changed the composition settings to 1280x720 / Field order : progressive scan/ Frame Rate: Double Pal (50 fps)...
When I opened the files on Timeline, i right clicked on the files, changed the Properties from SMART RESEMBLE --> DISABLE RESEMBLE
Then I slowed down the speed .. I rendered it as the same settings, only changed the frame rate to Normal PAL this time(25 fps)..
I've had a couple of questions about the 50P->25P option that I mentioned in my earlier post, so to clarify:
1) The unhacked PAL GH2 has a 720p50 AVCHD option, and the unhacked NTSC GH2 has a 720p60 AVCHD option.
2) The PTool361d hack enables a PAL<->NTSC menu item that lets you switch back and forwards between these two framerates (be sure to reformat your SD card after each switch).
3) PTool361d also has another two additional checkboxes that allow you to replace 720p50 with 720p25, and replace 720p60 with 720p30. You can select either one, or both, of these options when you apply the hack. So, for example, I have my GH2 presently set to 720P60 when in NTSC mode, and 720p25 when in PAL mode.