I've been playing around with various film scans to overlay footage shot on my GH2 from companies who offer free samples such as Cinegrain, Rgrain and Gorilla Grain to give it a slightly more analogue feel. I do think they work pretty good, but the samples provided are usually grainy 8mm and 16mm stock with dirt and scratches instead of cleaner 35mm grain. Has anyone here on the forum purchased these products or similar ones? User experiences?
@jbowdach Thanks for sharing those, and for the great info about the process! Cheers and please, keep feeding the comunity!
@jbowdach Thanks for the explanation about the differences between your 35/16/8 grains.
@jbowdach @JoeThePro Thanks for the link to the scans!
In the 1990's Kodak had developed "T grain", which I recall, ionized the grain to all fall in the same direction and appear to be more uniform. Fuji did not. That's probably why the fuji looks more "aggressive"
Hey everyone,
Thrilled you guys are enjoying the grain plates. Id be happy to answer any questions if you guys have any.
What you are noticing is actually a slight blur on the 16mm, which can be seen on the 8mm to an extreme. As I mentioned, these were 35mm plates that I customized and pushed to emulate 16mm and 8mm (which I compared to actual scans, which were poor quality and could only be used as reference).
If you would like the MOST control for a 16mm look, use the 35mm version, apply contrast to it, and a very tiny bit of high quality blur. If the size of the grain is still too small, zoom into the 35mm grain a bit. If the color of he grain alters the footage too much, desaturate the grain a bit.
The fuji and kodak absolutely have different qualities, and I personally find myself more drawn to the kodak style grain. In terms of a pure "filmic" look, I do find most people respond more to the Fuji stock but I feel that is due to the more "aggressive" grain pattern and and a warmer colors palette in the grain.
Thrilled to see you guys using and enjoying them. Please make any suggestions as if I get enough, I'll likely revise them.
Best,
Jason Bowdach Cinetic Studios
I don't see anything to really worry about Joe... if pushed the contrast I start to see a pattern but horizontal, those lines mark where the bumps are. Some other good stock scans I collected show also repetitive patterns, sometimes in waves, not to mention scratches, hair, stains, blobs and misc dirt, the good stuff =)
Plus a test with Fuji 35 and 16mm stock blended with soft light as Fuji's grain seem more harsh and nervous
I just downloaded the 16 and 35mm scans, and its strange but the two 16mm grains have this diagonal quality to them, the grain looks stretched. Is it just me?
indeed Joe thank you 4 heads up, those are real fine grain scans to add to one's collection and also work well in FHD
@joethepro Thanks for the link, man! Cheers!
Just realized that the free samples from IndieScans includes 35mm.
http://www.indiescans.com/35mm-film-grain/
They are supposed to be closer to CineGrain than the other options mentioned here, at least the ones already released.
I have not purchased any of the packages, so I cannot comment.
@hunter absolutely. I tend to end up doing a h264 high quality 1080p encode for screenings and people ask how I achieved the "film look". And I agree, far better than anything I've seen generated by AE, and also faster to render :)
If you have the filtering to make it dynamically vary, the filmscans used in TrueGrain (by Grubba Software) are some of the most frequently used tools in my color to B&W stills photography.
It's true--Vimeo compression loses quite a bit, but the feel of it remains. Much more realistic than the standard (or even GHear) version in After Effects, in my opinion.
@hunter that's what I've been doing for a few years, it's a great technique. Play around with transfer modes and opacity to get what you want. You will however lose a lot when encoding, unless you keep things lossless.
or download this
:) (goto the page, it looks like pooh here because of compression)I just use the noise and grain in premiere as well. Dont see why you couldn't create a solid @50% brightness, layer mode:overlay, add noise, and then gaussian blur very slightly (>1%) to give a more natural grain effect. this should be processed in realtime with CUDA. If you really wanted to go to town you would have 3 layers each with different level of blurring.
Ìn Premiere Pro you can add noise via the noise&grain folder in video effects. Just uncheck the Color Noise and tune in the Amount, I like it ~ 6.3%
Don't overdo it! Think of final compression…
Why not simply using shake 4.1?
I just used these suggestions for a music video project; looks amazing to my eyes, and I think I'll use it on everything now.
funny that this has been mentioned. I've been creating my own grain plates in AE using the match grain effect using the samples from the Cinegrain website over the past day. Although its not an exact match, it comes pretty close and the results look pretty convincing. The standard AE "Add grain" tool also produces some nice looking grain based on a number of different film stocks. The only grain plates I'd ever pay for are the super 8 ones because of all the imperfections that are much harder to recreate convincingly.
@dansyver The Cinegrain samples included a 35mm one. Did you try that one already?
Crumplepop is trying to Kickstart some 16mm and some 35mm grain. Looks intersting.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/crumplepop/grain35-beautiful-35mm-film-grain-scans-for-your-d
@dansyver Avid Studio v1, have also some film grain effects ...
Just saw that Gorilla Grain is having some sort of competition, check out their Facebook page for details: http://www.facebook.com/gorillagrain.
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