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  • Want to start topic about choosing and sharing opinions about various ND filters.

    Including:
    * Cheap screw-in ND filters
    * Top screw-in ND filters
    * Cokin ND filters (mostly resin)
    * 4x4 ND filters
    * Variable NDs (or using two polarizers)

    Interesting read:
    http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2010/02/10/filtration-beware-of-the-reaper-of-cheap-glass/
    http://www.similaar.com/foto/lenstests/lenstestsn.html
    http://www.dimagemaker.com/2008/02/23/using-crossed-polarizers-for-a-variable-nd-filter/
    http://www.fxguide.com/fxguidetv/fxguidetv_074/
    http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2010/11/24/fader-filters/

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  • Another Variable ND comparison

  • I tested the PolarPro Variable ND, 2- to 5-stop version, in the field. The sun moved in and out of the clouds, so I used both 2- and 4-stops on the filter. The objective was to maintain the aperture at F4.0 to minimize DOF while keeping the 180-degree rule:

  • Shot this with RJ 4x4 glass filter and filter holder purchased from Personal View Deals. Only had 1 and 2 stop filters, and mainly had only 2 stop filter in use, so much was shot at very high f.stops. Post exposure and colour adjustment done to my ability. You be the judge on filters from RJ.

  • I just purchased a couple of cheap ICE ND filters. I shot a couple of quick shots with them and they seem to be pretty good considering the price. I didn’t shoot any charts or anything with them but for the price you can’t go wrong. Here are a couple of random shots that I took with my D600 using a Nikon 85mm with the 6 stop ICE ND filter.

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  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev, thank you very much. I little later, I was desperate because I need record a video and here is very sunny and last night buy the ICE ND1000 ( http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LE25120?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00 ) unknown, but the little references are good.

    The new Cokin Nuances ND1024 now isnt on sale at amazon USA where I order cause is near and quick for me; Im in the Caribbean (Dominican Republic), so that is possible to have the purchase in less than a week.

  • I have just today sent back to Amazon two sets of Cokin Z154 ND8 filters. They slipped out of my 4x4 filterholder, since they aren't really 4" by 4" but 100mm x 100mm. The difference seems marginal but it was enough to make them unusable in my mattebox. I then ordered Tiffen 4x4s.

    Edit: My filterholder is 103,8mm tall and those little "lips" were to short to grab on to the filter.

  • Better throw an infrared filter in front of it, the IR contamination in their sample photo is truly horrific.

  • @Manu4Vendetta

    Well, yes.

    Check https://www.ephotozine.com/article/cokin-nuances-nd1024-10-stop-filter-review-27892

    It is new premium Cokin filters, they finally promise good performance.

  • In conclusion, dont exist a good ND 4x4 under $40 :-(

  • Time for some more ND filter tests! This time, 4x4" glass filters. I've owned and used Schneider 4x4 Tru-pol and grad ND filters for at least 7 years and have been perfectly happy with them. See the first photo. (All have a fixed daylight white balance and are ISO 200) image

    So when I needed a (non-grad) 4x4 ND1.2, I ordered the Schneider one from B&H, product number 68-041244. I was quite shocked to find it had a strong purple cast to the image, and it didn't look like IR contamination, which shouldn't be an issue anyway on my GH2 with that level of ND. See the second photo. image

    I got in touch with B&H, who told me that the colour cast was to be expected. So I contacted Schneider who were extremely helpful, and I replaced it with a 4x4 Platinum IRND1.2, product number 68-061244. This one looks beautiful. See the third photo. image

    I wanted to pick up an ND0.6 (AKA ND4) next, but I couldn't afford another platinum, and I was now really skeptical about the quality of the regular Schneider line, especially after reading B&H review comments like: "This, like all the Schneider filters I bought, shifted the colors so significantly to red/pink that I sent it back." http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/251624-REG/Schneider_68040644_Neutral_Density_ND_0_6.html#costumerReview"

    I decided to give the "Glass 4x4 ND Filters" available here in the deals section. I figured, being quite picky about filter quality, that I was risking $41, but that was better than risking $170. http://www.personal-view.com/deals/filters/other-filters-holders

    The result? See the fourth photo. It was taken at a completely different time of day, and please excuse my thumb in the photo, but I'm seeing no loss of sharpness on a 16 megapixel still, and the colour is perfect, just like the $260 Schneider Platinum! Thank you, Mr. Kiselev! image

    (I just realized the first three photos had sharpening added, but the fourth didn't. So I re-uploaded the fourth with sharpening. I don't have permission to delete the third image, but if a mod could do it...)

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  • @_gl My Fotga Slim Wide Band Fader ND polarizes just the same no matter which way it is facing.

    It must be two linears then.

    As for the rings you are looking for, Fotodiox makes them

    Ah! I actually saw them described somewhere yesterday, but incorrectly assumed they were filter<>lens mount adapters. Perfect.

    EDIT: the only catch is that faders usually have a larger filter thread at the front, so you'd also need a stepup ring... and if you're already close to the edges with a wide-angle, it just got tighter at the far end : ).

    EDIT2: ... you can even get them with different size threads at each end, eg. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290944033598

  • @_gl My Fotga Slim Wide Band Fader ND polarizes just the same no matter which way it is facing.

    As for the rings you are looking for, Fotodiox makes them, for one. http://www.fotodioxpro.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=filter+to+filter+reversing

    Also, this company on eBay: http://stores.ebay.com/yuanchuangli/Double-Coupling-Ring-Adapter-/_i.html?_fsub=5380295016

  • @Strangways, wow, I couldn't remember those posts at all.

    Thanks for the filter disassembly info, I will have to try it some time. But anybody with a normal fader can just try holding it backwards in front of their lens, it should avoid the polarizer effects. Does it work?

    If yes, a simple gender-changing filter adapter (so you can reverse-mount the fader) could convert it. Except I can't seem to find any, do they exist?

  • @_gl I just saw your post from July 2011 (http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/comment/5377#Comment_5377) talking about RealD 3D glasses. The unpleasant colour shifts you mentioned are due to the fact that you had two circular polarizers. This was actually an intended effect with the Cokin 173 Varicolor blue/yellow, and the Singh-Ray Gold-N-Blue Polarizer.

    Note that RealD 3D glasses have the quarter-wave retarder in front, unlike the typical circular polarizer filter, so this may play in to your experiments.

  • @_gl Usually with a fader you only have two pieces of glass - the quarter-wave retarder, if there is one, is a plate that is bonded in with one of the polarizer. So figuring out where it is in would be tricky, but once you did, you could swap and/or flip the glass as needed.

    Good filters have retaining rings with little notches you can use a filter wrench/adjustable spanner on (see tool in the top left of the photo) to unscrew, and then the glass will drop right out.

    Cheap filters have a spring, with a gap in one section, that you can just pry out.

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  • .. thinking about it, a traditional fader design (front->linear,linear,retarder) is exactly the opposite of mine. So maybe they simply reversed it by mistake! Not unheard of for cheap generic stuff.

    Which also means that (if you don't need phase AF), you could just reverse a standard fader to get the same effect! I've never tried to remove glass from a filter, maybe it can be done? Or can you get adapter rings that allow you to mount a filter backwards?

  • @Strangways understood. It took me a few attempts to find a fader like this (not a stack), and it just happened to be the cheapest generic fader I could find on Ebay from China (or Hong Kong, I forget).

    It was pure luck and I can't explain why they made it like this, maybe they just didn't know the convention and did their own thing. If having a linear at the back causes phase AF issues, that explains why most people wouldn't design them like this.

    But it was crucial for my use to not have polarizer effects, and it's actually decent quality. There is a small colour shift as you rotate it, but it's nothing the auto-white balance can't handle, and the image quality has never been a problem on my GH2's.

  • @_gl I was trying to keep things simple with "unpolarize" but yes, randomizing the polarization is a better description of a quarter-wave retarder. What I said may have made it seem like it reverses the effect of the polarization, which is not the case. To be technically accurate, a circular polarizer converts unpolarized light into linearly polarized light, and then into circularly polarized light.

    Usually a circular polarizer has the quarter-wave retarder at the back, and I thought you were suggesting finding (or creating a stack of) a circular polarizer then a linear one, which would end up as linear polarizer, quarter-wave retarder, linear polarizer, which wouldn't give you a fader.

    If what you've found is a specially-made fader that is quarter-wave retarder, linear polarizer, linear polarizer, then it should work as you described, but I've never seen one.

    A fascinating discussion - usually I don't get much further than people thinking a circular polarizer means the filter is physically circular, rather than square!

  • @Strangways, you might be right about phase-AF, I haven't used a body like that in many years.

    But you're wrong on the last point. A circular does not actually unpolarize the light, rather it randomises the polarisation rotation - so any that has a specific pola rotation (eg. from a reflection) is no longer uniform, and the problem goes away.

    A circular is actually composed of a linear polarizer layer, and a quarter-wave retarder layer. The fader I have uses a circular at the front, and a linear at the back. The retarder is at the very front, and randomises the incoming polarisation. The actual fading is then done by the two linear polarizers behind it.

    It does work, I've been using mine on my GH2's to shoot 3D for years.

  • I purchased a cheap ND32 filter from eBay, and the brand name wasn't listed. It was cheap, and it turned out to indeed be too good to be true.

    What arrived was branded "SINGLEE" on the package, and the filter had only "ND32 72mm" printed on the ring.

    The filter is not glass, it's plastic. It came pre-smudged, and was very difficult to clean, probably the worst thing about plastic filters.

    It's supposed to be an ND32, but it's denser than a high-quality ND64 that I own. There is an unbelievably strong purple cast to the filter, and once that is corrected for, I was left with a very low-contrast image.

    It's totally unusable.

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  • @_gl :

    Two linear polarizers will give you a fader, but it will prevent phase-detect AF from working.

    Two circular polarizers will give you a fader with wildly varying colour.

    A circular polarizer mounted closest to the lens, and then a linear polarizer on the outside, will give you a fader with phase-detect AF working, and without much colour change.

    A linear polarizer mounted closest to the lens, and then a circular polarizer on the outside, will not give you a fader. The circular polarizer un-polarizes the light as it exits the filter, and you need polarized light interacting with the next polarizer to give you a fader effect.