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First feature film: BMCC or the GH3?
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  • I don't have a GH3. But you can see it compared to BMCC, 5D, and GH2 here.

  • @shian

    How about to make proper scientific test?

  • no the yellow is just part of it, it's that the skin looks (waxy is not the right word, but it's close)... not like flesh

  • if by "plasticine" you mean the yellow tint on the skin that the digital cameras tend to produce, that is avoidable with redish make up

  • re: plasticine skin tones from Sony cameras.

    I see this same quality in GH3 footage.

    This is my observation and opinion - doesn't look like film, or an acceptable film alternative to me. Just my personal view :)

  • I have just remembered a story, when i was at the cinema with a friend watching 300 (the movie about the 300 greeks against the persian army), i was just shocked by the amount of noise that the movie had, they pushed the colors so much that the noise was in almost every shot... nonetheles i enjoyed very much the style, and the plot and art was just great.

    When the movie ended i commented that to my friend, and he couldnt understand what i was saying, he didn´t even get annoyed or distracted by the amount of noise. He is not a filmmaker, as most of the spectators that a movie gets (if it is at least any good), so...

    I repeat myself by saying this, but, worry more about the universe that you are creating and try to find a style of your own with the available resources that you have at hand, and expend the money in what is essential for that art style that you have chosen, art style that must be coherent with the story you are telling

  • GH3 = Crappy sensor that gives you plasticine skin tones (a la all Sony Cameras) and an image that is difficult to grade in that it skews blue in an inordinate amount

    Can we make some scientific test to show this? As I am not so good with generalisations (all Sony Cameras) and literature comparisons (plasticine skin tones).

  • @Shian

    Ahhh. I was curious because I couldn't tell if you meant that the GH3 is that crappy, say, compared to a hacked GH2....

    OR if the BM cameras have risen the bar to the point that the GH3 (and subsequently the GH2) seem like junk in comparison.

  • GH3 = Crappy sensor that gives you plasticine skin tones (a la all Sony Cameras) and an image that is difficult to grade in that it skews blue in an inordinate amount - and you pay $1300 for the privilege of shooting with a shitty camera and struggling with the footage in post. Still not as good as a hacked GH2.

    BMCC = Blackmagic has essentially said, for if you buy a copy of DaVinci Resolve (the world's most reliable and robust grading package) and a copy of Ultrascope (an invaluable tool for any colorist and anyone who wants to check their cams calibration), for $2000 and we'll throw in a 13 stop RAW camera for free. You'll have to add a quite a few things to make it an amazing camera, but it doesn't matter what you add to the GH3, it's still gonna suck..

    BMCC out of the box last year was junk - they've since added M43 and fixed many of the issues. Would I buy one? Probably not. I have a RED MX, so I don't need it, and I don't like the jello. but if I had to choose between 2 jello cams and the price difference is only $700 - I'm choosing the BMCC.

  • Ok, no problem VK.

  • can you please share your issues with the GH3 in detail?

    Just, please in GH3 issues topic :-)

    I also think that BM is so love/hate for @shian (if you look back in history) so it can be quite emotional.

  • @shian can you please share your issues with the GH3 in detail?

  • Not after using it in the real world... piece of junk.

    @shain is always in extremes :-)

    But you must have in your head that for people like @shian, who are good at grading and have all the time, money and skills BM made good present. For many others it is not so.

  • Not after using it in the real world... piece of junk.

  • @shian Maybe I've been away the forums for too long, but I thought you liked the GH3?

  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev What steadi-cam rig you like best for indicated budget?

  • We were telling stories for years with audio, before pictures got their act together.

    Many experienced film makers argue that the four most important people in a feature are the writer, the boom operator, the audio recordist, the mixer. After all, the story is told in the center speaker. Everything else is just supporting that story...

    Invest in preproduction. It's the biggest return on investment. Pay the actors one day labor to do a table read. Have your sound crew record it. Have your DP record it with three camera and clap/slate it. Then go back and edit the recordings into your draft movie script, with spacing and maybe add still shots to present locations. That's a only a one day production investment. Do that well and people will be itching to help you make the real movie, and you can shoot a far better movie in much less time, at much lower price. (And if you finish your preproduction and you "have no movie, no story", you just saved a lot of money. And you will have one more bad movie out of you without losing all your savings.)

    Film making is about climbing ladders. Multiple ladders in real time. With a team climbing with you. It's story telling. You just need enough dynamic range and resolution to get the audience to understand the script.

  • Audio is king!!

  • and also think about the blair witch proyect, cloverfield, or no (even though those are extreme examples, just to clearly ilustrate my point), those movies worked with the audience even though the image wasn´t perfect (in technical ways), but the camera style supported the story behind, also in the same line of thinking, you can play with the image to extremes if they support the story somehow, but the audio must always be perfect, otherwise the audience will reject the movie

  • invest on production values rather than a new camera, just find a style that suits you with the gh3 (learning the limitations), a style that is coherent with the story you are telling, if you find a way to do this then you are gaining more by investing in the art of the movie rather than raw, 2.5k ain´t that different than 1080p, but a well crafted set is a lot diferent than a cheaper one, and on the normal spectator it would have a much bigger impact... more dynamic range and more color depth doesn´t improve the universe that you want to create.

  • I'd say if you're getting great images with the GH3 that you like, stay with that for all the reasons mentioned. If you don't like the images coming out of the GH3, get something else, whether it's a BMCC or a GH2 or whatever. If you're only 4 months away from shooting, you could possibly get up to speed on a new camera, but if you really have the GH3 mastered and are getting great images from it, I would go with that. As you can imagine, once you get onto set, you really want all your camera/technical stuff fully mastered to minimize problems and maximize your team's ability to focus on the scenes themselves. (If you really love the BMCC look, perhaps you could rent one if that's an option, and do some test shooting, which will maybe give you a feel for the difference in looks.) Best of luck with your film shoot.

  • I'm with VK. Use the tools you know and are skilled with. A new camera will come with new problems that you don't want to discover on the set.

    Yesterday I was in a color grading suite finishing a short film I make on my GH2 and FD lenses. It looks beautiful. Probably better than my first two feature films in distribution. So if you want to be REALLY contrarian, my advice would be to sell your GH3, buy a GH2 off eBay and put all that extra money toward a good DP, gaffer, PD, locations, actors, whatever. Once the camera is adequate, that's the stuff that really counts.

  • I'd only use the GH3 as a doorstop - so I think it goes without saying.

  • You're asking an impossible question, because unless you know exactly what you're going to do with the money saved, and how exactly that will improve the film's prospects or make it better, who can answer?

    Consider also that a $200,000 film usually doesn't have any better chance than a $20,000 one: the money difference isn't enough to be decisive in the movie business. People don't get 10x better production value or 10x better performances or 10x better script for $200,000. They just make a bigger disaster.

    However, for your own satisfaction -- audiences don't care -- you may find the footage is more relightable (and salvageable) in post, with the BMCC. What that's worth only you can decide.

  • Yes, what vicharris said – SOUND. Once you get into the GH3 and above territory with camera bodies, the differences in the end product become less and less notable. While if you put that money towards sound... well, an audience will notice if you don't.

    Even if you already have a sound guy and his/her gear, use it to buy access to locations that aren't next to freeways, airports, etc.