Thanks @hay for your answer. The reason why I haven't tried IV or BOOM so far is because for me In camera playback is important while shooting things. I'm not yet grown so confident as a Cinematographer although I feel it is a journey that I'm already midway through. Another reason is I really don;t have a lot of TB's to spare so file size matters a bit. I have tried Cluster 6 and FM mainly and I think FM is the sweet spot of quality and size. I took FM on my holiday to GOA with me. Everything I shot was handheld but I was amazed by the quality and no artifacts from FM. I'm mainly making narratives (short films and feature) and I think in proper lighting or even some guerilla lighting situation, FM is your trusty companion that can be graded to beautiful looking frames. Ofcourse If I have the money to get more hard disks, I would definately try IV or BOOM or as I hear, long gop versions of these. I'm excited. For now I think FM is a good choice for me. It is also interesting to see that a quick search on youtube about all patches reveals while for all patches you got test footage ranging from Tree tops to Birds, FM has the most finished projects. Like Music videos and things. Just an observation. I could be wrong. :)
@aashay you might also want to try the valkyrie settings by bkmcwd, they are excellent and gop3 aswell, like FM. I like Intra Venus 1 a lot and use it a lot these days. Its not as reliable though as FM or Valkyrie. For wider high detail shots or lots of action and panning you get to change the Qs in pttools though or use another setting. If i was just able to use one setting i would probably choose valkyrie, due to its stability and nice characteristics. If its close to medium shots, IntraVenus is maybe the best there is...have not tried lowrider though...
@griplimited. would be interested in your opinion about IV and how it stacks up against FM? In terms of quality as well as size.
I finally plunged into Intravenus. Been a long time satisfied Flowmotion user. Tested on Sandisk 32gb 45mb/s cards. Doesn't span after 5mins, but it went thru the whole card fine. Really looking forward to testing more on it. Thanks again PV
@matt_gh2. I believe Cluster series are longer GOPs (6, 12/15) as opposed to Intra GOP1 with AN Boom1.
@Swiss_Boy not sure about 25p, but I've not had any issues with 24p. Although I haven't just set the camera on a tripod, hit record, and let it set for 3 hours either.
@driftwood How will Cluster V9 Boom differ from Apoc Now Boom. I'm using AN Boom v1 and love it, so I'm curious to what the goal for Cluster V9 Boom will be. (BTW AN Boom v1 has been perfect over 100's of shots. No errors ever. I use 24P. I once got an error "file limit number exceeded", but I think that was because I was using the Sandisk 64GB/95 Mbps SD card and failed to record a short clip before shutting down.) Thanks for your great work.
@GravitateMediaGroup ok that sounds good! Did you also try HBR and 720p and regarding stability which one would you say is better? Cause i think i read here that 25p wasn't stable on V.2.. Right now i'm happy with V.1 but i will give V.2 a try for sure
Very, very cool! Thank you! Looking forward to them.
@swiss_Boy I've used intra v1 and v2 and I like V2 better. I've not done any scientific pixel peeping, side by side, morning, noon, night, breakest, lunch, & dinner test (yes, this is a joke you could say) but from what I've seen come from Intra 2, I like it a lot. To a degree, the noise emulates grain better than most patches I've ever used. Although depending on your ISO & shutter settings I'm sure it could make a difference in the end results.
@onionbrain Cluster v9 Boom! DREWnet coming featuring Driftwood mainly all 4s matrix.
Cluster v8 DREWnet & Nebula 'cbrandin Cinema Smooth matrix' also on the way.
That hopefully will fill all the missing jigsaw pieces...
hello, I work in documentary, with hbr mode exclusivly. Would you please advise me for my choise, which patch seems to be the greteast for my kind of using? Thanks
@shian @driftwood ok so i will use v.1 for now since it's already in my gh2 plus i don't know much about v.2 i didn't test it yet and didn't read too much about it. Intravenus is really dope the grain is so filmic that i think i won't even add emulations of 35mm grain in post i'll just keep the original fine grain. 25p is also amazing on this patch!
Here is RAW footage.... go to VIMEO and download the MTS stream --
Well, I am no good at assessment...as far complex analysis but my eyeballs were happy with lowrider and it didnt crash on the 32gig 95mbps Sandisk just the 45mbps one.
*also --there were 2 cams and there will be an edit with parts used so dont diss my camera work people was going gonzo handheld on this and I had to play it by ear...my follow focus is broken so I was ackwardly trying to adjust it by switching off auto to manual etc...
Variation 1 :-) variation 2 came out later.
To be honest, I have no idea, it might be version 1 or it might be the tester version of 2 that I might have received in advance.
@shian which version of Intravenus did you use on your test? and is intravenus v.2 better(Grain,Grading) than the first one and is it more stable?
To tag along with @onionbrain as far as note for general audiences, I used Cluster V7 Nebular sharp2 6GOP with 444 matrix on a recent trip to Yosemite. Then I edited and graded a highlight video of the trip with Cyberlink PowerDirector and ColorDirector and sent it to my friends from the trip. The moment they looked at the video, they called me and told me how stunning the video looked like. I am no professional at this stuff. It's the patch or the setting.
My initial, un-scientific reactions after relatively brief play...
"Apocalypse Now 'Intravenus' v2 With cbrandin 'Smooth Cinema' Matrix" Very, very sharp -- and I really, really liked it. Would love a long-gop version. Didn't try making one because of the reason below with Low Rider.
"Cluster 'DREWnet' GOP12/15 (LongGOP)" I like it -- but I can confirm irregular looking noise -- kind of an underlying static (remember television static?) under various conditions.
"GH2 'Low Rider' trial Setting" I liked it, it looked great, but I wasn't left with any exceptional good or bad impression. At ISO 3200 using the incandescent white balance setting it looked great. I was interested enough by it to modify the GOP settings back to camera default. Modified -- the 720/60p was awesome and the 24p(h) was a disaster that I can only imagine is the "fallback mode" because it looked like the old DV when overstressed.
Of the above three -- the AN Intravenus V2 w/ Smooth was the most intriguing and I liked the super-sharp resolution. The only alarm was that I seemed to be getting that sharpness type ghosting with camera movement. I assume and expect I was panning too fast for the frame rate -- but -- it was extremely noticeable.
As a side note for general audiences -- I've been using Cluster V6 "DREWnet" for everything on the current productions -- and the results have been stunning and two small time television stations think it's the best looking local stuff they've ever seen produced.
I am a HUGE fan of intravenus 2. Noise looks more like grain than any other patch I've ever used. Whatever was done in the making of intravenus 2 to help it out in that way needs to be done on every patch from here on out. ; ) amazing work @driftwood
although I still want to test cinema smooth (especially if it's anything close to being as nice as intra)
also, @driftwood , I noticed you mentioned in the post above "when the gh3 is hacked" is their a topic to follow the progress of that, or can you share with us what the status is with that?
Video shoot went well fairly good results with "Lowrider" in Low light. Haven't tried Intravenus V2 but since Shian swears by it I think Ill give it a go soon. Ill upload the raw footage when my lazyness subsides till then here is a still from PP-
I tested Quantum GH3 Matrix Setting Test 2 ( tested only 24L ) and for my eyes in front of 43 inch lcd loocks superior then FlowMotion,Sanity 5,Cluster v6 'DREWnet' in terms of noise but over ISO 1600 noice tend to be irregular and create orizontal lines of noise easily observed on flat surfaces but overall looks much better than other patches tested by me.
Just a note/question regarding post-prod greenscreen: I would think that to maximize the chance of pulling the most detail for keying that a 444 matrix intra hack would be the best option, wouldn't it? From what Nick has described, it seems that the 444 matrix is trying to best emulate a 4:4:4 color space for 8 bit footage by pushing as much detail into the Chroma channels. I found keying some Boom! footage to be quite successful, although, as per, to get every niggling bit of detail you can your screen lighting has to be near spot on perfect (no more than 1/4 stop variance).
I imagine true 4:4:4 footage would be easier to to key given the fact there is some latitude (especially 10-12 bit raw) than 8 bit footage, so there must be a bit more forgiveness as it were if they screen lighting isn't so perfectly even.
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